[liberationtech] Deep Divers, there is no such thing as liberation tech

[Doug Schuler]

Couldn't we just look at what pages people spend the most time with? The
amount of advertising. The percentage of commercial sites vs.
non-commercial. I didn't think that corporate and state domination of the
internet was in dispute.

But I don't think we could point to one person! There are plenty of local
fiefdoms ruled not just by corporations (although money I assume plays a
massive role) China and Russia, etc.

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 9:08 AM Karl <gmkarl at gmail.com> wrote:

> Doug,
>
> It sounds like you're aware of the internet being solely
> corporate-dominated.
>
> If we had proof that someone were algorithmically ensuring that the
> internet stayed corporate-dominated, do you know of a way to preserve and
> possibly publicize such proof?
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2020, 11:49 AM Doug Schuler <
> douglas at publicsphereproject.org> wrote:
>
>> Technology absolutely has politics since it's embedded within social (and
>> material) contexts. I like Langdon's quote in the Whale and the Reactor:
>> "Because choices tend to become strongly fixed in material equipment,
>> economic investment, and social habit, the original flexibility vanishes
>> for all practical purposes once the initial commitments are made."
>>
>> On the other hand, technology is not strictly deterministic. A hospital
>> can be used to help heal people or it can be used to imprison them and to
>> perform experiments on them. Television doesn't have to be a solely
>> corporate dominated medium nor does the internet — but they are.
>>
>> — Doug
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 7:39 AM Aram Sinnreich <aramsinnreich at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What do you make of Langdon Winner's work, arguing that sociotechnical
>>> artifacts have inherent "politics?"
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On May 5, 2020, at 10:33 AM, grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Technology is but an agnostic tool.
>>> > There is no such thing as a liberation tech,
>>> > only applied tech via paths toward something.
>>> > One cannot apply a tech toward liberation
>>> > without first considering what a state of being
>>> > of actual liberation might variously be about,
>>> > to know where to go, what to make with the tech.
>>> > Democracy being nothing more than a
>>> > decentralized form of the murderous dictators
>>> > many claim to be liberating themselves or people from,
>>> > both forms hardly a state of liberation at all,
>>> > yet worshipped and profferred by all too many,
>>> > we therefore continue this random series
>>> > on path choices...
>>> >
>>> > How to be a tyrant. Sound Familiar?
>>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4LtEciQUF8
>>> >
>>> > Deep Divers, let the balloon go!
>>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbX-Bvb2u_w
>>> >
>>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U3lEc-IFr8
>>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWLntHoTgDA
>>> >
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