[liberationtech] Fwd: How are mobile carriers/Google/Apple helping track Covid19? Hey South Korea!

[Steven Clift]

I wonder too.

There has been major exchanges on apps for contact tracing etc. on this
Facebook Group:

https://m.facebook.com/groups/coronavirustechhandbook

My take remains that all bets are off during a pandemic.

The requirements I would like to see would consider the environment like
this where the health/death system appears to be collapsing:
https://youtu.be/XHsfjnRB-uA

What tech can be pushed out at a critical mass (and pull back when no
longer needed) be it opt-in/opt-out as thoughtfully designed is the
question. Only Apple and Google together can do this at scale.

My missive from March 21:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10163649324035151&id=793205150

Reacting to:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/21/politics/google-coronavirus-information-website/index.html



Great, educate us.

Now, Google, Facebook, Apple et al SAVE LIVES by proactively providing
anonymized location data absolutely necessary to inform the fight against
the spread of Covid-19. Work it out, figure it out. This weekend.

Privacy matters, but this is an unprecedented global state of emergency
that will kill millions world wide without concerted action. You have the
power to establish or support contact tracing systems (learning from South
Korea) and mobile apps for tracking travelers and quarantine enforcement
(learning from Taiwan).

The entire Internet age and tech industry will be judged on this moment -
did you give us the tools that saved millions world-wide especially in
poorer countries or did you blink and say these technologies and location
data are only for marketers and making money?

All this data and tech is already used by you to comodify us and sell
access to us to the highest bidder so we can use your "free" services. We
like free. We also like alive. Figure it out. Get it done *with* public
health authorities now. Just make sure there is a powerful and effective
off switch when the pandemic is over.

Remember, if we are dead, you can't make a buck off of us anymore.


On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 1:52 PM Bill Cox <waywardgeek at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't know if this thread impacted Apple and Google in their decision to
> move forward with privacy-preserving Bluetooth LE based contact tracking,
> as suggested on this thread, but I can say at least some Googlers saw this,
> and regardless of who got the idea from where, Yay!
>
>
> https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/13/daily-crunch-apple-and-google-announce-contact-tracing-initiative/
>
> If there is anything folks would like me to pass along, I likely can get
> it to the right folks.  AFAICT, they basically have the details right in
> the design, based on the public sources I see.  As usual, I learned about
> this from the news, not internal channels.
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 7:51 AM Steven Clift <clift at e-democracy.org>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> I say screw privacy for this public health emergency and apply what they
>> already know us for marketing purposes to keeping thousands alive. Then we
>> can better regulate after the crisis when people know what this tech can
>> track.
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Steven Clift <clift at e-democracy.org>
>> Date: Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 9:38 AM
>> Subject: How are mobile carriers/Google/Apple helping track Covid19? Hey
>> South Korea!
>> To: poplus <poplus at googlegroups.com>
>>
>>
>> I've read that South Korea has used tech to track down possible contacts
>> between those testing positive and those who may have been exposed.
>>
>> I haven't heard if this being used in Italy, the UK, US, etc. Is it?
>>
>> Is there a detailed article about this anywhere? (Any language.)
>>
>> Does anyone here know more about this?
>>
>> One article:
>>
>> "Thousands of miles away in South Korea, authorities have a different
>> response to a similar-sized outbreak. They are testing hundreds of
>> thousands of people for infections and tracking potential carriers like
>> detectives, using cell phone and satellite technology."
>>
>>
>> https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-response-specialre-idUSKBN20Z27P
>>
>>
>> My related post on Facebook:
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/opengovgroup/permalink/2615192822045631/
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Steven Clift
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