<div dir="auto">I wonder too.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">There has been major exchanges on apps for contact tracing etc. on this Facebook Group:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://m.facebook.com/groups/coronavirustechhandbook" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://m.facebook.com/groups/coronavirustechhandbook</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">My take remains that all bets are off during a pandemic.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The requirements I would like to see would consider the environment like this where the health/death system appears to be collapsing:</div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://youtu.be/XHsfjnRB-uA">https://youtu.be/XHsfjnRB-uA</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What tech can be pushed out at a critical mass (and pull back when no longer needed) be it opt-in/opt-out as thoughtfully designed is the question. Only Apple and Google together can do this at scale.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">My missive from March 21:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10163649324035151&id=793205150">https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10163649324035151&id=793205150</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Reacting to:</div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/21/politics/google-coronavirus-information-website/index.html">https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/21/politics/google-coronavirus-information-website/index.html</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Great, educate us.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Now, Google, Facebook, Apple et al SAVE LIVES by proactively providing anonymized location data absolutely necessary to inform the fight against the spread of Covid-19. Work it out, figure it out. This weekend. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Privacy matters, but this is an unprecedented global state of emergency that will kill millions world wide without concerted action. You have the power to establish or support contact tracing systems (learning from South Korea) and mobile apps for tracking travelers and quarantine enforcement (learning from Taiwan). </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The entire Internet age and tech industry will be judged on this moment - did you give us the tools that saved millions world-wide especially in poorer countries or did you blink and say these technologies and location data are only for marketers and making money?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">All this data and tech is already used by you to comodify us and sell access to us to the highest bidder so we can use your "free" services. We like free. We also like alive. Figure it out. Get it done *with* public health authorities now. Just make sure there is a powerful and effective off switch when the pandemic is over. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Remember, if we are dead, you can't make a buck off of us anymore.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 1:52 PM Bill Cox <<a href="mailto:waywardgeek@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">waywardgeek@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I don't know if this thread impacted Apple and Google in their decision to move forward with privacy-preserving Bluetooth LE based contact tracking, as suggested on this thread, but I can say at least some Googlers saw this, and regardless of who got the idea from where, Yay!<div><br></div><div><a href="https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/13/daily-crunch-apple-and-google-announce-contact-tracing-initiative/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/13/daily-crunch-apple-and-google-announce-contact-tracing-initiative/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>If there is anything folks would like me to pass along, I likely can get it to the right folks. AFAICT, they basically have the details right in the design, based on the public sources I see. As usual, I learned about this from the news, not internal channels.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 7:51 AM Steven Clift <<a href="mailto:clift@e-democracy.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">clift@e-democracy.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><br><div dir="auto">Any thoughts?<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I say screw privacy for this public health emergency and apply what they already know us for marketing purposes to keeping thousands alive. Then we can better regulate after the crisis when people know what this tech can track.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <strong class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Steven Clift</strong> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:clift@e-democracy.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">clift@e-democracy.org</a>></span><br>Date: Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 9:38 AM<br>Subject: How are mobile carriers/Google/Apple helping track Covid19? Hey South Korea!<br>To: poplus <<a href="mailto:poplus@googlegroups.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">poplus@googlegroups.com</a>><br></div><br><br><div dir="auto">I've read that South Korea has used tech to track down possible contacts between those testing positive and those who may have been exposed.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I haven't heard if this being used in Italy, the UK, US, etc. Is it?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Is there a detailed article about this anywhere? (Any language.)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Does anyone here know more about this?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">One article:</div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">"Thousands of miles away in South Korea, authorities have a different response to a similar-sized outbreak. They are testing hundreds of thousands of people for infections and tracking potential carriers like detectives, using cell phone and satellite technology."</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-response-specialre-idUSKBN20Z27P" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-response-specialre-idUSKBN20Z27P</a></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><div dir="auto">My related post on Facebook:</div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/opengovgroup/permalink/2615192822045631/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/groups/opengovgroup/permalink/2615192822045631/</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks,</div><div dir="auto">Steven Clift</div></div>
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