[liberationtech] Democracy (was: Re: Would you like to put the list under permanent moderation?

[Doug Schuler]

If I implied that you claimed that then I apologize.  But to me, democracy
means governing by the people and the degree to which that is done is not
part of the definition. I also don't think there is agreement on a precise
definition.

If big segments of a population are denied participation it's certainly a
sub optimum democracy.

And of course there are zillions of ways to "reach decisions."

— Doug






On Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 12:12 PM David Stodolsky <dss at socialinformatics.org>
wrote:

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>
> On 10 Jan 2020, at 20:02, Doug Schuler <douglas at publicsphereproject.org>
> wrote:
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> I'm not persuaded by references to Athenian democracy as the last "real
> democracy”
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> That was not claimed. The point was to use the term "Democracy “ in a
> technically correct manner.
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> I cite many other instances here:
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> https://groups.io/g/democracy
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>
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> because even then women and slaves could not vote.
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> This is just a definition issue.
> The question of who counts as a citizen is a separate issue, when we are
> talking about a way to reach decisions. Arguing that the USA wasn’t a
> “democracy” before women got the vote doesn’t help when dealing with
> technical questions.
>
>
> dss
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> David Stodolsky, PhD                   Institute for Social Informatics
> Tornskadestien 2, st. th., DK-2400 Copenhagen NV, Denmark
> dss at socialinformatics.org          Tel./Signal: +45 3095 4070
>
>

-- 
Douglas Schuler
douglas at publicsphereproject.org
Twitter: @doug_schuler

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