[liberationtech] Strength of Political Action, In The Era of COVID-19... More Theatrics & Side-Shows.

[msunet]

Another one I forgot: what about asymptomatic transmission, which seems quite big on this virus? (I think recent estimates in the US give 5-20 unknown infected for every known case; forgot the reference, sorry). I don't see how the tact systems can help with that; those people might never know they are carriers.

Hopefully your links shed some light there too.

On April 24, 2020 1:34:26 PM PDT, msunet <msunet at shellblade.net> wrote:
>Thanks. Lots of stuff to read there.
>
>Also, this is on HN right now:
>
>https://insinuator.net/2020/04/cve-2020-0022-an-android-8-0-9-0-bluetooth-zero-click-rce-bluefrag/
>
>On April 24, 2020 1:28:52 PM PDT, David Stodolsky
><dss at socialinformatics.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On 24 Apr 2020, at 20:29, msunet <msunet at shellblade.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There was some talk about this at the Flatten the Curve Summit. At
>>first, I thought this technology would be interesting, but now I have
>>doubts about it. It doesn't seem very useful to trace people if you
>>can't test them, first of all.
>>
>>If traces are not already being collected, then the test result can’t
>>be transmitted to likely exposed persons.
>>
>>> I also wonder how the random numbers are generated -- will they use
>>your device or advertising ID? How can you tell when they embed this
>>technology in their proprietary, secret OSes anyway? I also haven't
>>seen what the authentication layer is -- will you need a google
>>account? -- or more generally, how they plan to protect the system
>from
>>attackers. It's also not clear to me who owns the data, where it is
>>stored, how much of it, or for how long. And when does the tracing
>end?
>>
>>Apple/Google anouncement covers this.
>>
>>
>>> They also have not solved fundamental problems about this tech, like
>>signals going through walls.
>>
>>Sound can also be used.
>>
>>Here are my links:
>>
>>conflict between France and Apple/Google, because the privacy of the
>>French app is weaker than that permitted by the Apple/Google approach:
>>
>>https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52366129
>><https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52366129>
>>
>>https://www.wired.com/story/apple-google-contact-tracing-strengths-weaknesses/
>><https://www.wired.com/story/apple-google-contact-tracing-strengths-weaknesses/>
>>
>>UK app also conflicts:
>>
>>https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/16/nhs-in-standoff-with-apple-and-google-over-coronavirus-tracing
>><https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/16/nhs-in-standoff-with-apple-and-google-over-coronavirus-tracing>
>>
>>These conflicting approaches are dangerous and will not work:
>>
>>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/20/coronavirus-digital-contact-tracing-will-fail-unless-privacy-is-respected-experts-warn
>><https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/20/coronavirus-digital-contact-tracing-will-fail-unless-privacy-is-respected-experts-warn>
>>
>>
>>Credential solution for low resource areas:
>>
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3totKQ_BnBc
>><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3totKQ_BnBc>
>>
>>https://medium.com/coviid/our-vision-for-covi-id-3ee2a1fe3049
>><https://medium.com/coviid/our-vision-for-covi-id-3ee2a1fe3049>
>>
>>
>>The rights issue:
>>
>>https://exposurealerting.org/ <https://exposurealerting.org/>
>>
>>
>>Audio to increase accuracy:
>>
>>https://www.novid.org/ <https://www.novid.org/>
>>
>>This addresses privacy issues with audio as a way of with stopping the
>>through-the-wall Bluetooth contact errors:
>>
>>https://www.wired.com/2016/11/block-ultrasonic-signals-didnt-know-tracking/
>><https://www.wired.com/2016/11/block-ultrasonic-signals-didnt-know-tracking/>
>>
>>
>>One way to self-generate credentials, while protecting privacy
>>
>>https://blog.openmined.org/ckks-homomorphic-encryption-pytorch-pysyft-seal/
>><https://blog.openmined.org/ckks-homomorphic-encryption-pytorch-pysyft-seal/>
>>
>>https://blog.openmined.org/pysyft-pytorch-intel-sgx/
>><https://blog.openmined.org/pysyft-pytorch-intel-sgx/>
>>
>>
>>Objections:
>>
>>https://www.wired.com/story/apple-google-contact-tracing-wont-stop-covid-alone/
>><https://www.wired.com/story/apple-google-contact-tracing-wont-stop-covid-alone/>
>>
>>A not that clear objection to Apple/Google standard:
>>
>>https://medium.com/asecuritysite-when-bob-met-alice/the-flawed-world-of-contact-tracing-wheres-carol-the-tester-3939ac92488a
>><https://medium.com/asecuritysite-when-bob-met-alice/the-flawed-world-of-contact-tracing-wheres-carol-the-tester-3939ac92488a>
>>
>>
>>
>>dss
>>
>>
>>David Stodolsky, PhD                   Institute for Social
>Informatics
>>Tornskadestien 2, st. th., DK-2400 Copenhagen NV, Denmark
>>dss at socialinformatics.org          Tel./Signal: +45 3095 4070
>
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