[liberationtech] investing in liberation tech

[J.M. Porup]

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If it helps, think of it as a Venn diagram. There is one set, that of
profitable scalable innovation. There is another set, that of F/LOSS
that give users digital freedom. Is there an intersection between
these two sets? What will we find if look?

I don't know. It is certainly a small subset, I'll grant you that.
Still, worth exploring, don't you think?

Jens

On 11/11/14 05:00, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote:
> Jens,
> 
> I did speak of "tangents, secants, and lines with even more 
> intersections" between "profit" and "common good," didn't I?
> 
> But there is a huge gap, oceans of "bad" or just "OK" between
> those intersections, "few and far between," isn't it?
> 
> 
> Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato,
> 
> Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes <alps at acm.org> +1 (347) 766-5008
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:39 AM, J.M. Porup <jm at porup.com> wrote: 
> Andrés,
> 
> I personally work with many angel investors who do not fit the
> "devil with a checkbook" mold. These guys are heavily involved in
> greentech / cleantech, people who are scared of climate change and
> are investing money in developing next gen solar / wind / hydro /
> etc.
> 
> And here's the key insight: They want to change the world. For the 
> better. But they also recognize that they cannot do that unless
> they harness the market to do so.
> 
> Let me give you an example. I know an angel who invested in a
> small company doing R & D in nuclear fusion. Is that project likely
> to succeed? No. But what if it did? Free/cheap energy for all, and
> a multi-billion dollar exit for the angel. Wouldn't you call that
> a win/win for humanity?
> 
> The intersection of liberation tech and the profit motive is
> small. But it's also, IMHO, a sweet spot worth exploring. Because
> whether we like it or not, money makes the world go around.
> 
> Jens
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/10/14 19:37, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote:
>>>> Ok, I read this post this morning, and I decided to let it
>>>> "go." But the sun has set over this North Texas Wasteland, a
>>>> "safe haven" for the type of "angels" this post mentions,
>>>> and, with the onset darkness, Mr Hyde wakes up!
>>>> 
>>>> There are no "angels" in that post! Why would anyone call
>>>> "angel" someone expecting an obscenely high "return on
>>>> investment?" True Angels don't expect "return on investment"
>>>> at all!
>>>> 
>>>> So please stop talking about "angel investors," unless you
>>>> think the "hundred million dollar exit, minimum" expectation
>>>> of Mephistophelian people are "angelical!"
>>>> 
>>>> The fact is that profit and "common good" are most times
>>>> divergent endeavours and, if they intersect, they'd be
>>>> tangent, secant, perhaps even with more intersections, but -
>>>> their Sims, goals, objectives are radically different!
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 10, 2014 9:49 AM, "J.M. Porup" <jm at porup.com 
>>>> <mailto:jm at porup.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Is it possible to make money investing in privacy- or 
>>>> security-focused startups?
>>>> 
>>>> I am putting together an angel fund (in Chile, but keep
>>>> reading). I am not an investor myself, but I'm in a position
>>>> to evaluate and propose startups to our participating
>>>> angels.
>>>> 
>>>> I'd really like to see an investment or two in liberation
>>>> tech.
>>>> 
>>>> After watching the flame war over Espionage (*not* rehashing
>>>> that debate, please don't shoot), it occurred to me that the
>>>> primary business model for successful innovation in this
>>>> field is foundation money, not end users.
>>>> 
>>>> But angel investors want to see a hundred million dollar
>>>> exit, minimum.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyone working on anything juicy in this space that would
>>>> scale globally and make money too? Or am I looking for
>>>> something that doesn't exist?
>>>> 
>>>> Jens
>>>> 
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