[liberationtech] investing in liberation tech

[Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes]

Jens,

I did speak of "tangents, secants, and lines with even more
intersections" between "profit" and "common good," didn't I?

But there is a huge gap, oceans of "bad" or just "OK" between those
intersections, "few and far between," isn't it?


Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato,

Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes
<alps at acm.org>
+1 (347) 766-5008


On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:39 AM, J.M. Porup <jm at porup.com> wrote:
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> Andrés,
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> I personally work with many angel investors who do not fit the "devil
> with a checkbook" mold. These guys are heavily involved in greentech /
> cleantech, people who are scared of climate change and are investing
> money in developing next gen solar / wind / hydro / etc.
>
> And here's the key insight: They want to change the world. For the
> better. But they also recognize that they cannot do that unless they
> harness the market to do so.
>
> Let me give you an example. I know an angel who invested in a small
> company doing R & D in nuclear fusion. Is that project likely to
> succeed? No. But what if it did? Free/cheap energy for all, and a
> multi-billion dollar exit for the angel. Wouldn't you call that a
> win/win for humanity?
>
> The intersection of liberation tech and the profit motive is small.
> But it's also, IMHO, a sweet spot worth exploring. Because whether we
> like it or not, money makes the world go around.
>
> Jens
>
>
>
> On 11/10/14 19:37, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote:
>> Ok, I read this post this morning, and I decided to let it "go."
>> But the sun has set over this North Texas Wasteland, a "safe
>> haven" for the type of "angels" this post mentions, and, with the
>> onset darkness, Mr Hyde wakes up!
>>
>> There are no "angels" in that post! Why would anyone call "angel"
>> someone expecting an obscenely high "return on investment?" True
>> Angels don't expect "return on investment" at all!
>>
>> So please stop talking about "angel investors," unless you think
>> the "hundred million dollar exit, minimum" expectation of
>> Mephistophelian people are "angelical!"
>>
>> The fact is that profit and "common good" are most times divergent
>>  endeavours and, if they intersect, they'd be tangent, secant,
>> perhaps even with more intersections, but - their Sims, goals,
>> objectives are radically different!
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2014 9:49 AM, "J.M. Porup" <jm at porup.com
>> <mailto:jm at porup.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Is it possible to make money investing in privacy- or
>> security-focused startups?
>>
>> I am putting together an angel fund (in Chile, but keep reading).
>> I am not an investor myself, but I'm in a position to evaluate and
>> propose startups to our participating angels.
>>
>> I'd really like to see an investment or two in liberation tech.
>>
>> After watching the flame war over Espionage (*not* rehashing that
>> debate, please don't shoot), it occurred to me that the primary
>> business model for successful innovation in this field is
>> foundation money, not end users.
>>
>> But angel investors want to see a hundred million dollar exit,
>> minimum.
>>
>> Anyone working on anything juicy in this space that would scale
>> globally and make money too? Or am I looking for something that
>> doesn't exist?
>>
>> Jens
>>
>>
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