[liberationtech] About syria and western intervention

Thu Mar 15 12:08:26 PDT 2012

+1 to Jillian, thanks for putting my sentiments better than I have been
able to.

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Jillian C. York <jilliancyork at gmail.com>wrote:

> You know what?  I hear both, and I'm also in touch with Syrians on the
> ground in Syria.  There's a strong divide on the ground, and while I have
> yet to meet someone who genuinely loves Assad (despite what all the posters
> and billboards around the country would lead one to believe), I know
> Syrians (inside and outside the country) who want some sort of intervention
> and those who believe it will simply make things worse.
>
> I don't think you can deduce any sort of consensus here.  Sure, there are
> questionable actors involved (does anyone really think Qatar or KSA have
> the best interests of Syrians at heart?) but the other truth is that
> Syrians are being killed by their own government.  Period.
>
> -Jillian
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:01 AM, Andrew Lewis <andrew at pdqvpn.com> wrote:
>
>> Because I speak to Syrians on the ground in Syria who tell a widely
>> different tale. There maybe some bias in western and non-Syrian Arabs, but
>> at the same time there are activists that put themselves at risk everyday
>> to get the story out, and from what I've seen it is a crime against
>> humanity.
>>
>> -Andrew
>>
>>
>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 2:48 PM, "Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)" <
>> lists at infosecurity.ch> wrote:
>>
>> > Past week i've been in Qatar for work and i deeply spoke with a syrian
>> > friend living there.
>> >
>> > I got an interesting point of view, from a 28 year syrian person that
>> > don't like assad but that love his country.
>> >
>> > To make a long story short he said "Why all you western ppl, along with
>> > this infamous country (qatar) are interfering with us? You are making
>> > propaganda! You are arming our ppl to cause a civil war!" .
>> >
>> > He was basically insisting on the fact that the revolt in syria are
>> > mainly triggered and keep sustained from abroad syria and that's unfair.
>> >
>> > It has been quite difficult for me to sustain that "ppl abroad want to
>> > help syrian ppl".
>> >
>> > His motivation and his concept in insisting that we (the western
>> > countries) are the main cause of the revolt by making propaganda and by
>> > arming local people have to be really considered.
>> >
>> > Aren't we just part of a big manipulation of the "Democracy Export
>> > Machinery" ?
>> >
>> > Who really know out of the 22mln ppl living in syria what people really
>> > want?
>> >
>> > We justify our action because we say that "assad" is a bad guy but what
>> > do we really know directly, a part from being "part of a propaganda
>> > machine", what most people think in syria?
>> >
>> > Aren't we just part of this "big mess" of manipulation?
>> >
>> > I don't really feel comfortable in justifying all that "proactive"
>> > actions from western subjects (both governatives and non-governatives)
>> > on other country.
>> >
>> > I'm not saying what's ok and what's not ok, but for sure all that
>> > "activism world" is working "closely" and in a "fully-alligned" way with
>> > the western country agencies that are operating on military and foreign
>> > intelligence actions for a political goal, that's to subvert assad
>> > government.
>> >
>> > Many activists organization receive funds from budgets that 20 years ago
>> > would had been given to CIA.
>> >
>> > Aren't most "activits organization" playing the unconscious
>> > crowd-sourcing of CIA operations in doing their "Psyop", their
>> > "Propaganda", their "Tactical support" ?
>> >
>> > In that sense i'm really scared that all of us, working on the "hype of
>> > making a good things", very often are not making a good thing.
>> >
>> > -naif
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