[Bigbang-dev] Gender diversity and draft productivity

[Sebastian Benthall]

> I think your question must be "how gender affects a wg productivity", as
> the 'gender tendency' you are using is in no way the same as 'gender
> diversity'
>

Please feel free to elaborate or propose an alternative operationalization.


'non-binary' is, if such, a self determined gender option, not related
> to this "unknown" (.5) output
>

Is it? Why?

>From a biological perspective the terms "male" and "female" are referred
> to sex. But that has nothing to do with names and gender identities.
>

Surely it has *something* to do with them.

 I absolutely think the name-based detector shows
> more about western bias than gender


I suppose this is an empirical question. But I'm doubtful about this
expanded claim.

 Not authoritative but I think in this context is ok to use "man" and
> "woman" as gender categories.
>

I'd be fine with this change to the current gender detection code.

> One idea is to use the IETF DataTracker's biography field and count
> > pronouns:
> > https://github.com/datactive/bigbang/issues/393
>
> I think that's a good idea. Maybe there are some biographies written in
> first person or not necessarily using pronouns, but they should not be
> so much. Maybe you can include "they" as an option and look what
> happens. And so you will not get a tendency but four different options.
>
> 1. He, his, man
> 2. She, her, woman
>
> And in very less frequency
> 3. They, their, them
> 4. N/A
>

This seems reasonable to me. "Unknown" or not enough evidence to tell is
also needed.

Actually I was wondering how could you identify gender in mailing lists
> and I think the current is a wrong approach. I think what you propose
> here is a good place to start.


Ok. This is why I have fielded the preliminary work. To get feedback.

Nick Doty has done more direct applications to mailing lists and I hope to
build on that work soon. I anticipate that would bring up many of the
issues raised already. Hence the discussion.

But from my point of view, gender is much
> more than an inherently challenging engineering problem. Very happy to
> discuss more.
>

Naturally gender is a very broad phenomenon.

This mailing list, as I'm sure you are aware, is dedicated to discussion of
the development of a specific software tool, BigBang.

I can't speak for everybody, but while I welcome a ranging discussion of
whatever topics are relevant, I ask everybody to respect the purpose of
this list and keep the conversation's center of gravity on the development
of BigBang as a software toolkit. Operationalization gender and gender
diversity is on topic.

- S


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