[Bigbang-dev] Gender diversity and draft productivity

[Juliana Guerra]

Hello!

> Please feel free to elaborate or propose an alternative operationalization.

I'm sorry if I don't understand very well here, but I think there is no
operationalization difference, I'm just proposing to change the concept
of "gender diversity" because, in this case, I don't see any possibility
to include a more diverse spectrum. With just "gender" you can describe
how women' active participation (in a traditionally male dominant
space?) affect a wg production. Is that what you want to see? Or may you
specify where the question comes from?

> 'non-binary' is, if such, a self determined gender option, not related
>> to this "unknown" (.5) output

> Is it? Why?

People who doesn't feel comfortable with a male/female gender roll.
Someone can decide by them self to use a non-binary name (i.e. Julien
Marie) but the point with non-binary is that the person consciously
define this in their name or preferred pronoun (and life, of course).
With this tool, as you are using it, we have no possibility to know why
the name is "unknow" in terms of gender. The most accurate answer, I
think, is the western bias you mentioned, and also English language
bias. For example, *Sol* (in Spanish), and *Inti* (in Quechua) -which
translates *Sun*- are male, female and non-binary names in Andean South
America.

> From a biological perspective the terms "male" and "female" are referred
>> to sex. But that has nothing to do with names and gender identities.
>>
> 
> Surely it has *something* to do with them.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>  I absolutely think the name-based detector shows
>> more about western bias than gender
> 
> 
> I suppose this is an empirical question. But I'm doubtful about this
> expanded claim.

Sorry for not helping, forget my comment please.

> 
>  Not authoritative but I think in this context is ok to use "man" and
>> "woman" as gender categories.
>>
> 
> I'd be fine with this change to the current gender detection code.
> 
>> One idea is to use the IETF DataTracker's biography field and count
>>> pronouns:
>>> https://github.com/datactive/bigbang/issues/393
>>
>> I think that's a good idea. Maybe there are some biographies written in
>> first person or not necessarily using pronouns, but they should not be
>> so much. Maybe you can include "they" as an option and look what
>> happens. And so you will not get a tendency but four different options.
>>
>> 1. He, his, man
>> 2. She, her, woman
>>
>> And in very less frequency
>> 3. They, their, them
>> 4. N/A
>>
> 
> This seems reasonable to me. "Unknown" or not enough evidence to tell is
> also needed.

That's what I referred with N/A

> Naturally gender is a very broad phenomenon.
> 
> This mailing list, as I'm sure you are aware, is dedicated to discussion of
> the development of a specific software tool, BigBang.

Sorry again, maybe I'm in a wrong place. I am trying to use BigBang to
make an analysis but I'm not a developer. The BigBang-user mailing list
has no recent movement so I landed here.

> I can't speak for everybody, but while I welcome a ranging discussion of
> whatever topics are relevant, I ask everybody to respect the purpose of
> this list and keep the conversation's center of gravity on the development
> of BigBang as a software toolkit. Operationalization gender and gender
> diversity is on topic.

I totally respect the purpose of this list and if you feel my comment as
an abuse please let me know. But I also think that, as we don't need to
be experts to talk about any topic, in the quest for inclusiveness it is
necessary to contemplate a more interdisciplinary approach, and that is
something we can obtain by discussing these kind of issues.


Juliana