[liberationtech] [TrumanScholars] funds for transporting refugees from border to Germany

[Klein, Hans K]

I don't think it is skin color that determines who gets empathy and who does not.

I think a better explanatory variable is *state interest*.

When rival states (Russia, China, Iran, etc.) kill people, there is great moral outrage. The media leads us in  collective expression of outrage.

When friendly states (US, Colombia, Israel, Saudi Arabia (in Yemen)) kill people, there is little outrage.  The media downplays it or excuses it. Citizens may protest, but those protests remain invisible and unreported.

Remember the US invasion of Iraq?  The media led us in a joyful celebration of the accuracy of our ordinance (right down the smokestack of the Iraqi Ministry of Telecommunications! Wow!)

I don't think racism is the issue.  State interest is the issue.

Hans



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".. the N word .."

Dear Kenoli,

which N-word can you not write or speak? I grew up in Germany, my socialization started with Kant, Marx, Engels, Einstein, C.G.Jung, Fromm and others. But even in Germany there is no such thing or I myself never experienced this.

What happens with you in the USA that you have such thinking and speaking barriers.

with kind regards, willi
Asuncion, Paraguay



Am 09.03.2022 um 11:13 schrieb Kenoli Oleari:
> Yes this is a great question.  Russia similarly invaded Afghanistan and parts of Syria.  We invaded Iraq and Grenada. Several groups tried to exterminate the Kurds and other groups in that region.  And more.  No one freaked out about the suffering of people in these countries and even drove refugees from there out of Europe and the United States.  These facts in the face of the way people are getting disturbed about Ukraine (I am also disturbed about Udraine but was similar disturbed about these other situations) and not about the suffering in these other countries is hugely concerning and speaks pretty directly to racist attitudes in Europe and the US.
> 
> England sent wave after wave of people to the Middle East during the crusades and slaughtered people until the blood flowed like water.
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> What can we make of all this?  It is outrageous and unthinkable. How can so many humans actually not care about people’s suffering depending on the color of their skin.
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> And blacks in this country being killed in routine police events and locked up wholesale.  And people up in arms about discussing the issue of race with our kids.  Racism causes so much suffering in our country.
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> This list started at Stanford and I don’t know what it’s relationship is now to Stanford, but I am involved in running a course at the Graduate school of business at Stanford and recently in a GSB dorm the N word was written on the walls near a room occupied by a black person and another where a white person had a relationship to a Black person.
> 
> Where does this come from.
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> I know that people of all colors do these things to people of all colors as well, but I am white and associate with people who are white who do these awful things.
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> It all brings me to tears.
> 
> —Kenoli
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>> On Mar 8, 2022, at 3:01 PM, bo0od <bo0od at whonix.org> wrote:
>>
>> where were you when iraqi/syrian refugees stuck on poland/belarus 
>> borders? (so many other examples..)
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>> well they are not christians,blond,blue eyes.. let them die.. not my 
>> issue.. (are they even considered humans?)
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>> The unmatched hypocrisy of the west.
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>> Yosem Companys:
>>> lia's
>>> partner, Sylvain Alarie is taking off work, renting a truck, drivi
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