[liberationtech] The bitcoin terrorists of Idlib are learning new tricks
Lee Alley
lee at morganalley.com
Sat May 22 09:31:46 CEST 2021
Right, so let's look at this by the numbers (or the paragraphs)....
On 21/05/2021 20:02, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
> I find the Trotskyite-Libertarianism of the coinsplainers to be a
> crushing bore. The arguments are infantile, ignorant and insulting.
Yep, categorise someone into a coalition of the "loathsome". So far so
good ✔
(Also shows zero clue as to what a Libertarian actually is, vs what the
corporate press ignorantly likes to brand them as)
>
> Don't be fooled by the techno-babble, these same people have been at
> the same old libertopian schemes since the mid 90s. Every time it is
> different, every time it is the same. The Feds crushed e-Gold which
> was beyond reach of government. Then the Feds crushed gold age which
> beyond reach of government. BitCoin is the reason gas prices soared
> last week with the Colonial Pipeline attack. Fixing cybersecurity is
> expensive. Criminalizing crypto-currencies is a much cheaper approach.
Create straw man arguments without any context and only tenuous
relevance then burn them (interestingly showing an "I'm on the govt's
side and I'm here to help"* admission) before showing catastrophically
naive economic illiteracy (I've never seen people accuse dollars of
being the reason behind bank robberies or the reason they got mugged,
and I missed that bit in the thread about the trillions Obama, Trump and
Biden have spent/will spend pretty pointlessly that your grandchildren
will have to pay back, to say nothing of letting your children clean up
the inflation heading our way).✔
* Where help == govt crushing anything that threatens its total control
of everything, or people doing things for themselves
>
> I see absolutely nothing moral in crypto-currencies. Anyone can
> prattle on about 'freedom'. Tump's jackbooted goons stormed the
> capitol on Jan 6th in the name of 'freedom', they called everyone who
> opposed them 'sheep'. By their fruits shall ye know them: grarpamp's
> language clearly shows him to be a bully. His only concept of
> 'freedom' is there being nothing to stop him bullying others.
And in the denouement, up the ante on the ad hominem, calling grarpamp a
Trump goon with the implied accusation of fault in all this. ✔
This is a masterclass in gaslighting but never, ever addresses the
points raised.
And the "I don't need no stinkin' freedom" attitudes below? Have some
thread posters read the name of this list? To paraphrase P-Funk,
"Liberate your mind, and your tech will follow..."
>
>
> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 10:46 AM Lorelei Kelly <loreleikelly at gmail.com
> <mailto:loreleikelly at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> honest question grarpamp, what is your vision of a shared future?
> Where I'm from is the most unhealthy, violent and poor part of the
> USA. PLUS, everyone has sawed off shotguns and other arsenals in
> their basement. This kind of well-armed defensive paranoia is not
> that unusual in rural America. Do you really think your version
> of the world would work in places like this? People here don't
> even have bank accounts or Internet. I know what would happen.
> The most vulnerable, defenseless people would be harmed. Are you
> serious about these words you spout off? Do you have a plan for
> the people who are going to fall between the cracks of your crypto
> world? oh yes, "mutual aid" I'd like to hear a more detailed
> alternative governing plan, please.
>
> On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 2:03 AM Marc Sunet <msunet at shellblade.net
> <mailto:msunet at shellblade.net>> wrote:
>
> "...but the men’s eyes remain locked on the price chart – they
> are
> trying to turn $10 into $20."
>
> Constantinople, here I come...
>
> On 4/7/21 5:49 AM, grarpamp wrote:
> >> https://www.wired.co.uk/article/bitcoin-crypto-terrorism-syria
> > Anti-crypto FUD. Go look at all what kind of murder
> > crime fraud etc the govts and everyone else does with
> > many billions of dollars, rubles, yuan, etc.
> > While both have similar crime ratios, fiat is still much
> > larger net usage thus it carries magnitudes more crime.
> > But fake news media wouldn't get any propaganda jobs,
> > money, or influence in honestly reporting that fiat story.
> >
> >> learning ... crypto
> > Yes learn and adopt distributed crypto, move past all your
> > colosally obese growing governments that are starting shit,
> > stomping around the world murdering thousand and thousands,
> > torturing, prisoning, starving, stealing money from you under
> > threat of death to stuff their own crony wallets,
> spyveillancing and
> > passporting you entire life forever, FUD program on 24x7 in
> your fake
> > news, plotting more ways for GovCorp power to keep sucking
> your life.
> > Soon you won't even have the cash they keep printing to
> intentionally
> > devalue your wealth and living ability with, saddling you with
> > more and more of their wasted debt load... since they
> > are now officially rolling out their worthless cashless society
> > fake crypto fiat called Central Bank Digital Currencies CBDC's,
> > MMT and UBI to screw and spy and control you even more, turn you
> > off and forfeit you in a second, and cancel your activism,
> > freespeech, dissent, freedom... totalitarian control in the
> extreme.
> > Govt lately saying you cant secede to have bit of independence
> > and freedom (catalan, hong kong, taiwan, etc...), locking
> > you down fining you shutting down your business all 2020 corona,
> > politicians baldly lying being idiots on your news, social
> > scoring gone insane. Yet not a peep of effective resistance.
> >
> > Wake up sheeple, to what in the world is happening.
> > GovCorp trying to end your monetary freedom,
> > cashless, etc is no joke... you will lose remaining freedom.
> > You are free beautiful people.
> > You don't need them or their crap anymore.
> > You have crypto, can organize and do and build
> > and teach and roads and charity and health and
> > live as you wish locally and wider, voluntarily, together.
> > Go create freedom.
> >
> > Here are some surrounding subjects hinted in article,
> > with two of them exposing a big underlying problem...
> >
> http://monzer.kahf.com/fatawa/FATAWA_CURRENCIES_GOLD_COMMODITIES.pdf
> > https://decrypt.co/37286/is-bitcoin-halal
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Rqw4krMOug
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXsEZeNE288
> > https://soundcloud.com/radioislam/is-bitcoin-halal-or-haram
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyZIoOZj46E
> >
> > ps: Govts about to start WWIII. If you adopted
> > crypto like crypto libertarians told you, you could easily
> > leave funding their wars, and them, off the list of
> > things you choose to pay for.
> >
> > Your old "voting" obviously didn't get you any more freedom,
> > maybe the new distributed privacy crypto hotness will.
> >
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