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<p>Right, so let's look at this by the numbers (or the
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the Trotskyite-Libertarianism of the coinsplainers to be
a crushing bore. The arguments are infantile, ignorant
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<p>Yep, categorise someone into a coalition of the "loathsome". So
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<p>(Also shows zero clue as to what a Libertarian actually is, vs
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be fooled by the techno-babble, these same people have
been at the same old libertopian schemes since the mid
90s. Every time it is different, every time it is the
same. The Feds crushed e-Gold which was beyond reach of
government. Then the Feds crushed gold age which beyond
reach of government. BitCoin is the reason gas prices
soared last week with the Colonial Pipeline attack.
Fixing cybersecurity is expensive. Criminalizing
crypto-currencies is a much cheaper approach.</div>
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<p>Create straw man arguments without any context and only tenuous
relevance then burn them (interestingly showing an "I'm on the
govt's side and I'm here to help"* admission) before showing
catastrophically naive economic illiteracy (I've never seen people
accuse dollars of being the reason behind bank robberies or the
reason they got mugged, and I missed that bit in the thread about
the trillions Obama, Trump and Biden have spent/will spend pretty
pointlessly that your grandchildren will have to pay back, to say
nothing of letting your children clean up the inflation heading
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<p>* Where help == govt crushing anything that threatens its total
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">I see
absolutely nothing moral in crypto-currencies. Anyone
can prattle on about 'freedom'. Tump's jackbooted goons
stormed the capitol on Jan 6th in the name of 'freedom',
they called everyone who opposed them 'sheep'. By their
fruits shall ye know them: grarpamp's language clearly
shows him to be a bully. His only concept of 'freedom'
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<p>And in the denouement, up the ante on the ad hominem, calling
grarpamp a Trump goon with the implied accusation of fault in all
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<p>This is a masterclass in gaslighting but never, ever addresses
the points raised.</p>
<p>And the "I don't need no stinkin' freedom" attitudes below? Have
some thread posters read the name of this list? To paraphrase
P-Funk, "Liberate your mind, and your tech will follow..."<span
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10:46 AM Lorelei Kelly <<a
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<div>honest question grarpamp, what is your vision of a
shared future? <br>
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<div>Where I'm from is the most unhealthy, violent and
poor part of the USA. PLUS, everyone has sawed off
shotguns and other arsenals in their basement. This
kind of well-armed defensive paranoia is not that
unusual in rural America. Do you really think your
version of the world would work in places like this?
People here don't even have bank accounts or Internet.
I know what would happen. The most vulnerable,
defenseless people would be harmed. Are you serious
about these words you spout off? Do you have a plan
for the people who are going to fall between the
cracks of your crypto world? oh yes, "mutual aid"
I'd like to hear a more detailed alternative governing
plan, please. <br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 21, 2021
at 2:03 AM Marc Sunet <<a
href="mailto:msunet@shellblade.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">msunet@shellblade.net</a>>
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0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">"...but the men’s
eyes remain locked on the price chart – they are <br>
trying to turn $10 into $20."<br>
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Constantinople, here I come...<br>
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On 4/7/21 5:49 AM, grarpamp wrote:<br>
>> <a
href="https://www.wired.co.uk/article/bitcoin-crypto-terrorism-syria"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.wired.co.uk/article/bitcoin-crypto-terrorism-syria</a><br>
> Anti-crypto FUD. Go look at all what kind of
murder<br>
> crime fraud etc the govts and everyone else does
with<br>
> many billions of dollars, rubles, yuan, etc.<br>
> While both have similar crime ratios, fiat is
still much<br>
> larger net usage thus it carries magnitudes more
crime.<br>
> But fake news media wouldn't get any propaganda
jobs,<br>
> money, or influence in honestly reporting that
fiat story.<br>
><br>
>> learning ... crypto<br>
> Yes learn and adopt distributed crypto, move past
all your<br>
> colosally obese growing governments that are
starting shit,<br>
> stomping around the world murdering thousand and
thousands,<br>
> torturing, prisoning, starving, stealing money
from you under<br>
> threat of death to stuff their own crony wallets,
spyveillancing and<br>
> passporting you entire life forever, FUD program
on 24x7 in your fake<br>
> news, plotting more ways for GovCorp power to
keep sucking your life.<br>
> Soon you won't even have the cash they keep
printing to intentionally<br>
> devalue your wealth and living ability with,
saddling you with<br>
> more and more of their wasted debt load... since
they<br>
> are now officially rolling out their worthless
cashless society<br>
> fake crypto fiat called Central Bank Digital
Currencies CBDC's,<br>
> MMT and UBI to screw and spy and control you even
more, turn you<br>
> off and forfeit you in a second, and cancel your
activism,<br>
> freespeech, dissent, freedom... totalitarian
control in the extreme.<br>
> Govt lately saying you cant secede to have bit of
independence<br>
> and freedom (catalan, hong kong, taiwan, etc...),
locking<br>
> you down fining you shutting down your business
all 2020 corona,<br>
> politicians baldly lying being idiots on your
news, social<br>
> scoring gone insane. Yet not a peep of effective
resistance.<br>
><br>
> Wake up sheeple, to what in the world is
happening.<br>
> GovCorp trying to end your monetary freedom,<br>
> cashless, etc is no joke... you will lose
remaining freedom.<br>
> You are free beautiful people.<br>
> You don't need them or their crap anymore.<br>
> You have crypto, can organize and do and build<br>
> and teach and roads and charity and health and<br>
> live as you wish locally and wider, voluntarily,
together.<br>
> Go create freedom.<br>
><br>
> Here are some surrounding subjects hinted in
article,<br>
> with two of them exposing a big underlying
problem...<br>
> <a
href="http://monzer.kahf.com/fatawa/FATAWA_CURRENCIES_GOLD_COMMODITIES.pdf"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://monzer.kahf.com/fatawa/FATAWA_CURRENCIES_GOLD_COMMODITIES.pdf</a><br>
> <a
href="https://decrypt.co/37286/is-bitcoin-halal"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://decrypt.co/37286/is-bitcoin-halal</a><br>
> <a
href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Rqw4krMOug"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Rqw4krMOug</a><br>
> <a
href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXsEZeNE288"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXsEZeNE288</a><br>
> <a
href="https://soundcloud.com/radioislam/is-bitcoin-halal-or-haram"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://soundcloud.com/radioislam/is-bitcoin-halal-or-haram</a><br>
> <a
href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyZIoOZj46E"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyZIoOZj46E</a><br>
><br>
> ps: Govts about to start WWIII. If you adopted<br>
> crypto like crypto libertarians told you, you
could easily<br>
> leave funding their wars, and them, off the list
of<br>
> things you choose to pay for.<br>
><br>
> Your old "voting" obviously didn't get you any
more freedom,<br>
> maybe the new distributed privacy crypto hotness
will.<br>
><br>
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