[liberationtech] Intentional Big Tech Leftist Bias in Social and News Media Corrupts Elections and Defrauds Peoples
Joseph Pollack
josephrichardpollack at gmail.com
Sun Jan 3 09:26:57 CET 2021
Hey there folks, so i actually worked with the white helmets, as liberation
tech . what i did was provide mapping services ... what i can tell you is
that these are all just red cross and ambulance style first responders,
mostly underfunded until they werent, often targetted by the assad regime,
and obviously not the driving part of a chemical weapon ploy, but for sure
and like most responding organisations that actually do good the victims of
disinformation by bad actors (actually there is such a thing!) that
contrary to them dont depend on a good reputation. I'm really impressed by
the number of amazing critical thinkers on this thread that all theyve been
able to do is take war crimes and try to blame it on first responders...
plenty of examples where bad actors use chemical weapons and shoot down
planes full of civilians. To go back to the russian army shooting down a
plane where actually my malasian rasta friend died (omg not a spy!) , there
were two plane in the same coordinates at different heights , seeing as how
that missile shoots shrapnel to cause damage, maybe the russian army just
didnt set the right altitude there, if they had and struck the other plane,
that one was russia-bound and full of russians... the perfect pretext for a
full scale invasion, which is how we commonly start wars here in Europe. My
simple point is this : you like the bad actors so much , but i really like
liberation tech much more , i remember when this list was useful for folks
learning about how to use technology for freedom. Now all i see is off
topic nonsense and all too frequently inane apologies for war criminals and
war crimes. You cant be getting paid enough for this, check out the
Spunik V vaccine team composition, why join this activity
On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 8:20 AM Sawsan Gad <sawsangad at gmail.com> wrote:
> Peter --
>
> I read all your messages in detail and every line of it. You made a very
> strong point, and I am very passionate about the issue, because I'm stung
> with it in different sectors as well, with government operatives/appointees
> posing as scientists (including the health sector --> read "covid", but we
> won't go there). I currently have no answer as to how to handle the
> misinformation war as a private citizen.
>
> Also, my comment about Snopes was in fact in support of the point you're
> trying to make: the compliance of the so-called fact-checkers. These people
> pretend to be all-out activisty and passionate about the truth, but in fact
> they perpetrate the most sinister and dark agendas of the establishment out
> there. Bellingcat is also case in point.
>
> As Glenn Greenwald rightly noted, those who are pretending to fight
> disinformation are in fact the very same operatives hired to propagate
> disinformation. It's very systematically clear for me, I stopped consuming
> corporate media and social media altogether. I have developed my own
> methods now for finding out the truth about things, but I choose not to
> disclose it because I'm very paranoid now that these people simply
> contaminate every stream of (what one judges to be) the most accurate
> account of the facts.
>
> Thanks, Sawsan
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> On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 12:30 PM Peter Jones | Redesign <
> peter at redesignnetwork.com> wrote:
>
>> This discussion is totally missing the point. YOU brought Snopes up as a
>> response to my post. Snopes or other media have no bearing at all on the
>> independent investigators I have cited. The original claim was about
>> Bellingcat. I have shown that they are supported by – if not funded by –
>> the Atlantic Council (NATO) through their DRFL project. Not a word from
>> anyone about that. So where I have not made my case?
>>
>>
>>
>> The Snopes thing is what you – not open -minded at all – used to slam my
>> points about Bellingcat with a non-issue that had nothing to do with my
>> proof of Bellingcat’s relationship to the military complex.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is not about the veracity of a so-called fact-checker. Snopes would
>> not be online all these years if they were wrong about issues that are
>> readily resolvable within the scope of media access.
>>
>>
>>
>> My point is about the capture of corporate media, and the compliance of
>> so-called fact-checkers, to our own massive security state. The Congress
>> that just overrode Trump’s veto of the $750B (or whatever) NDAA to ensure
>> the spice keeps flowing to military junkets in congressional districts.
>>
>>
>>
>> Foreign policy is the fog of war. The fact that not one respondent is
>> familiar with the OPCW scandal – the international Org for Prohibition of
>> Chemical Weapons. The whistleblowers, who were the Syrian field FFM team -
>> demonstrated by assays that the White Helmets and BBC videos were wrong -
>> there was no chlorine attack. This supports the Syrian government’s
>> position. It defeats the Anglo-US NATO claim decisively. The Director
>> General – a political appointee and not a field chemist , assayer, or
>> reporter who visited Syria – is denying the multiple whistleblowers,
>> including the founding Dir General of OPWCW – who have all tried - at huge
>> personal risk - to expose the institutional corruption of NATO on the OPCW.
>> Its is perhaps the most significant institutional scandal of our time – its
>> as if the ICC were found to ignore evidence by one side so they could make
>> a political case out of an international war crime.
>>
>>
>>
>> THIS is the issue I’m claiming Bellingcat is complicit with. I don’t
>> really care what you guys think of Snopes at all. This represents
>> anti-critical thinking and it’s a strategically distracting issue. Its like
>> a news org’s “whataboutism” (what about that these other posts we found,
>> they were wrong b/c see how they were actually staged, therefore everything
>> else they said was wrong as well). That has nothing to do with my post and
>> the references. You didn’t bother to read about Bellingcat and the OPCW
>> controversy. Its complex. I am not going to glibly summarize years of field
>> reporting, field analysis, chemical studies and indy journalism beyond the
>> Bellingcat argument and refs if you're interested.
>>
>>
>>
>> That’s why I’m ready to bail.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best, Peter
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* LT <lt-bounces at lists.liberationtech.org> *On Behalf *
>> *Subject:* Re: [liberationtech] Intentional Big Tech Leftist Bias in
>> Social and News Media Corrupts Elections and Defrauds Peoples
>>
>>
>>
>> If only it were that simple!
>>
>>
>>
>> Off the top of my head I'd say that Snopes was probably accurate 80% or
>> more of the time.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 6:16 PM Sawsan Gad <sawsangad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> With what I've learnt in the past few years: Anything Snopes says is
>> wrong, is most likely correct. :-)
>>
>> I now use them for fact-checking in the opposite direction. If Snopes
>> says no, then the truth is yes. If Snopes says yes, then the truth is no.
>> :-)
>>
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>> On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 9:04 PM Doug Schuler <
>> douglas at publicsphereproject.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter --- It's quite possible that I weigh in in the future on this but
>> for now don't quit the list because of my ignorance!
>>
>>
>>
>> I actually try to some degree to understand a bit of what's actually
>> going on. It's not easy. I also hope that well-meaning people with lack of
>> knowledge can participate in these discussions. I prefer people holding
>> that role to true believers, professional dissemblers, and super spreaders.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm opposed to much of US foreign policy and I obviously am way in the
>> dark on a large percentage of it. My sense is, however, that the US is not
>> the only "bad guy" out there. In fact I'd like to think that the US can be
>> something of a "good guy" on occasion.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll look into the beyond war perspective. Is this the same group that
>> was active in the 80's (or thereabouts)?
>>
>>
>>
>> — Doug
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 4:53 PM Peter Jones | Redesign <
>> peter at redesignnetwork.com> wrote:
>>
>> You are seriously citing “Snopes” in a list that purports to engage
>> scholarship into serious surveillance, security technology or (in this
>> case) foreign policy issues?
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps you didn’t look at any of the references I cited. The most
>> significant issue with Bellingcat is that they are funded and sponsored by
>> a NATO advisory. It is their job to disinform. That is how wars are
>> promoted when you are the aggressor.
>>
>>
>>
>> Higgins has been caught outright lying about his relationship with the
>> FCO and government funding by Hitchens and others on Twitter. These are not
>> arguments, they are misrepresentations.
>>
>>
>>
>> The critical issue here is the cover-up. The lead OPCW field chemist who
>> led the fact-finding mission for the Douma Syria report verified that there
>> was no indication of a chorine “chemical weapons” attack on the purported
>> site. There were two dozen children’s bodies placed in the basement, that
>> were claimed as victims, but they did not die of chlorine. There was no
>> chlorine beyond the level found in normal household use.
>>
>>
>>
>> But the field investigation team’s unanimous findings were deliberately
>> misreported by the OPCW by their (Bush appointed) Dir General, who publicly
>> claimed there was a confirmed chorine release. Which is not revealed by the
>> field findings. That is the real political scandal.
>>
>>
>>
>> The filed team did not state that the filmed scene was staged – that’s
>> outside the purview of OPCW. But that is also the subject of Patrick
>> Watson’s analysis BTW. Read some of the painstaking analysis and you will
>> see why this is suppressed, and why I think very poorly of “Snopes” who is
>> enabling (our) war crimes here.
>>
>>
>>
>> Snopes is also partisan and unreliable in a media ecology that is now
>> hopelessly divided and divisive. Its as much of an establishment tool as
>> exists in the US/UK universe of bought-reporting.
>>
>>
>>
>> If this level of insight on the list persists - I’ll just going to quit
>> the list. I don’t have the time to waste on “liberation tech” that finds
>> favour with the MIC/NATO establishment and its media trolls and is
>> uninterested in learning from actual citizen-led independent
>> investigations. And that are in apparent uncritical support of the $2
>> trillion / year US/NATO war system that uses mercenary “terrorists” to
>> create events that justify its attacks and regime change programs. Who did
>> you think is paying for the surveillance systems that this list was set up
>> to intervene? Its all the same Five Eyes.
>>
>>
>>
>> I recommend to those interested in our new approach to the peace
>> movement, to find the report on Global Security System at World Beyond War
>> https://worldbeyondwar.org/alternative/
>>
>>
>>
>> Wishing everyone peace in your own communities in the New Year.
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* LT <lt-bounces at lists.liberationtech.org> *On Behalf *
>> *Subject:* Re: [liberationtech] Intentional Big Tech Leftist Bias in
>> Social and News Media Corrupts Elections and Defrauds Peoples
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Tom.
>>
>>
>>
>> That seems to clear up some things.
>>
>>
>>
>> — Doug
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 5:17 PM Domestic Caverns <
>> domestic.caverns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m not sure if this is what you’re referring to regarding the white
>> helmets, but here is some fact checking on them as a hoax:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/is-this-proof-white-helmets-staged-chemical-attack/
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 2:45 PM Peter Jones | Redesign <
>> peter at redesignnetwork.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Richard - Its interesting you'd suggest Bellingcat on this list
>> (Liberation Tech) as an exemplar for investigative techniques that purport
>> to identity motive and source. In my observation of their work, they have
>> the resources to conduct very sophisticated study - because that are a
>> dedicated insider info ops (hybrid warfare) group of the NATO-sponsored
>> Atlantic Council - their DFRL organization
>> https://www.digitalsherlocks.org
>>
>>
>>
>> Bellingcat started up two days *before* the infamous MH17 airliner
>> shootdown in Ukraine 7.17.2014 (a problematic case that is still definitely
>> unresolved in the Dutch special court). They immediately entangled
>> themselves in evidence production from the "fog of war" among the various
>> actual investigators on the ground. Their notoriety and founding were
>> started up in sync with this event, which would give them interesting
>> context for their own motives.
>>
>>
>>
>> The founders Higgins and Toler are senior fellows at the NATO DFRLab
>> https://www.digitalsherlocks.org/360-os-2018 which verifies not
>> necessarily a guarantee of income, but at least the level of establishment
>> of their primary client. I’d suspect they aren’t hurting for a job.
>>
>>
>>
>> The goals of the DRFL program are ostensibly to "counter disinformation."
>> But the explicit means of doing so are to construct preferred information
>> that is certified by their vast network of the military complex that
>> requires such "bottom up" narratives to justify their own interventions
>> and weaponization of social media. After all Obama shelled out $250M in
>> his last gift to the Mil Complex December 2016. Also for “countering
>> (primarily Russian) disinformation” which is a neat way of saying
>> “creating disinformation for the public.” All US wars have been started and
>> justified by such information ops long before kinetic actions, and this
>> was done with newspapers before electronic media.
>>
>>
>>
>> Put your McLuhanist hats on. Who has the most to gain from these
>> operations? Who has skin in the game and who is paying for these
>> investigations? Who is working at their OWN risk and conscience to develop
>> and expose (or whistleblow) truthful reporting?
>>
>>
>>
>> The anti-Bellingcats are actual citizen sleuths such as Northern
>> Ireland’ Patrick Watson, who was disgusted by what he saw as obvious fake
>> videos with the White Helmets, used to promote the Syrian “chemical
>> weapons” videos. He did hos own research and blew open quiet a bit of
>> trouble.
>>
>>
>>
>> His website https://hiddensyria.com/ covers a number of his
>> investigations – he’s clearly not a “Russian” anything, as I’ve followed
>> his work from the very first tweet I think (I happened to see his easily
>> outbursts) AND he doesn’t’ have a lot of followers. A troll tries to
>> sensationalize and get a lot of attention. Philip has also worked hard, and
>> at risk, to show the OPCW organization is at fault for covering up their
>> field evidence that exonerates the Syrian government, a very inconvenient
>> finding. There are whistle-blower memos and support from the founding OPCW
>> General Director for their exposure. It’s a significant scandal, and on
>> this issue Bellingcat is arguing (and was caught fabricating) for the
>> establishment, again, and every time, for the wars.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would also confirm regard for the small UK academic team, the Working
>> Group on Syria, Propaganda and Media that has done open sources and deep
>> investigative reporting on the Syrian hoaxes and White Helmets (along with
>> Vanessa Bealey's fieldwork).
>>
>>
>>
>> has also been heavily attacked by mainstream reporters, (Guardian types)
>> and 77th Brigade (the British military info ops soldiers)
>> https://syriapropagandamedia.org/ Because they have been on-0tagert,
>> the BBC and Guardian have smeared their work on front page stories to try
>> to recover their Syrian war “information superiority.” In the shadowy world
>> of information ops, this is a war on real people. And the establishment
>> will lose, over time, regardless of how many more millions they throw at 77
>> th Brigades and projects like the UK’s FCO-sponsored Integrity
>> Initiative https://syriapropagandamedia.org/the-integrity-initiative
>>
>>
>>
>> Humans with a conscience will always eventually win on social media, as
>> the war narrative is always a drumbeat of the same talking points and
>> arguments. Reality is complex, ambiguous, and subject to surprises – which
>> is what we see in the citizen reporter stories.
>>
>>
>>
>> As a professor I would at least present students with case studies from
>> “both sides.”
>>
>>
>>
>> To a more peaceful 2021, Peter Jones
>>
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: LT <lt-bounces at lists.liberationtech.org> On Behalf Of Richard
>> Brooks
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 2:39 PM
>> To: Doug Schuler <douglas at publicsphereproject.org>; Richard Brooks <
>> rrb at g.clemson.edu>
>> Cc: LT <lt at lists.liberationtech.org>
>> Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Intentional Big Tech Leftist Bias in Social
>> and News Media Corrupts Elections and Defrauds Peoples
>>
>>
>>
>> The idea of thoughts and ideas being similar to a biological ecosystem
>> has been around for a while. I think that Richard Dawkins, William S.
>> Burroughs, and Robert Anton Wilson all have legitimate claims to having
>> originated the idea. (It is likely to have roots in antiquity somewhere.)
>>
>>
>>
>> The US does have a certain anti-intellectualism deep in its subconscious
>> and at least one (nameless) political party has worked hard to delegitimize
>> science (evolution, economics, climate change, ...).
>>
>>
>>
>> That this would lead eventually to people being susceptible to having
>> their innate biases exploited by other actors, is not surprising.
>>
>>
>>
>> Social media has exacerbated the process.
>>
>>
>>
>> One idea that I have been playing with is trying to introduce somewhere
>> in curricula having students use tools/techniques like those used by
>> Bellingcat to determine the source and motivation of online campaigns.
>>
>>
>>
>> I really am impressed by Bellingcat.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/30/20 2:12 PM, Doug Schuler wrote:
>>
>> > An article in the recent Science magazine talked about a “syndemic”
>>
>> > which
>>
>> >
>>
>> > "is the intersection of two epidemics—two diseases ravaging a
>>
>> > population at the same time, exacerbating each other. HIV weakens the
>>
>> > immune system, for instance, which makes people more likely to develop
>>
>> > tuberculosis. The world witnessed some- thing similar this year. We
>>
>> > live in an eco-system that allows viruses to cross from wildlife to
>>
>> > humans more often and spread farther and faster than ever before—that
>>
>> > gave us SARS-CoV-2. But the virus emerged in an information ecosystem
>>
>> > that helps misinformation and lies spread faster than scientific
>>
>> > evidence, weakening our ability to respond to new threats. That made
>>
>> > the pandemic far worse."
>>
>> >
>>
>> > https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/370/6523/1395.full.pdf
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Without necessarily buying into the entire metaphor it seems pretty
>>
>> > useful, bringing up concepts susceptibility, vulnerable populations,
>>
>> > super spreaders, mode of transmission, and, of course, inoculation.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > It also fits well into my investigations into civic intelligence which
>>
>> > I believe is threatened like other natural resources. And if it gets
>>
>> > too low, our ability to address our problems cooperatively becomes
>>
>> > ever more helpless.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I'd love to hear your thoughts on this!
>>
>> >
>>
>> > — Doug
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
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>> >
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>> >
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>> > On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 8:49 AM Richard Brooks <rrb at g.clemson.edu
>>
>> > <mailto:rrb at g.clemson.edu <rrb at g.clemson.edu>>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Interesting.
>>
>> >
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>> >
>>
>> > https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/2/21278601/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-tr
>>
>> > ump-posts-employee-call-fact-checking-voter-misinformation
>>
>> >
>>
>> > https://faculty.lsu.edu/fakenews/elections/thethreatofqanon.php
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > https://www.france24.com/en/20201006-qanon-conspiracies-go-global-in-p
>>
>> > andemic-perfect-storm
>>
>> >
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>> >
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>> > https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1369118X.2017.1329334?jour
>>
>> > nalCode=rics20
>>
>> >
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>> >
>>
>> > https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/08/technology/youtube-radi
>>
>> > cal.html
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On 12/23/20 4:31 AM, grarpamp wrote:
>>
>> > > The Invisible Influence of Big Tech on Politics & Elections -
>> Allum
>>
>> > > Bokhari #Deleted
>>
>> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFJfGphZBmQ
>>
>> > > #Deleted: Big Tech's battle to erase the trump movement and steal
>>
>> > the election
>>
>> > > https://deletedbook.com/
>>
>> > >
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>> >
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>> >
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