[liberationtech] Liberation: Is not Innovations in digital government

[Lee Alley]

I think you misunderstand the nature of anarchy that may be being 
posited. The absence of government does not preclude, or necessitate the 
presence of violence or danger. Indeed some of the oldest participatory 
communities in the world (certain Swiss cantons) and some of the newest 
(eg. Somaliland) incorporate decentralised models of participatory 
shared responsibilities and contract-based services - sweep/pave/protect 
the streets and you get paid n-amount of [monetary value], and if they 
fail, or are disintermediated by competitors and/or societal changes, 
then they are replaced or fired*. No one thinks twice about this with 
their tech; yet somehow civic particpation is seen as precious requiring 
an immutable/eternal power structure.

Think outside the box and good things can be allowed to happen.

Greets to all,
Lee

* Sometimes known as "anarcho-capitalism"


On 10/11/2020 06:18, davidicus wrote:
> Dear Gramps,
>
> That the American public has reached a stage of (de)evolution to the 
> point where some folks see "guns" somehow as "liberatory" and not see 
> that their society (and government) has amassed the largest military 
> in history aided and abetted by the armaments and security complexes 
> (including said gun manufacturers), once again illustrates the 
> contradictions of (communicative) capitalism.
>
> "Muskets vs. Military Style Assault Rifles" or "Guns vs. Butter" are 
> questions of and about governance, governmentality, public policy and 
> yes, too, at times "market failure" (whether on questions of Pandemic, 
> Climate Change or Digital Divides). Such are the myriad ways in which 
> public choices are also about governance, governmentality and the 
> demos.  To suggest that anarchy is only about non-governance strikes 
> me as a type of magical thinking particularly in a global system of 
> nation-states, firms, communities that have elected or appointed 
> governmentalities and modes / models of governance.  A co-operative, 
> credit union, school board or voluntary fire fighters team all have 
> employed modes of governance, just as larger geographic entities 
> have.  All can potentially be corrupt or corrupted, but to somehow 
> imagine that the baby should be thrown out in the name of 'anarchy' 
> seems to be a problematic reading from the political right or 
> libertarian techies.
>
> Kind Regards,
> ~david
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *David Sadoway * PhD  MRM  BES(Hons)
> Faculty & Instructor. /Geography & The Environment. /
> Kwantlen Polytechnic University.
> https://www.kpu.ca/arts/geography/faculty/david-sadoway
> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/David_Sadoway
> /KPU is located on the //unceded lands & waters of the 
> Kwantlen, Katzie, Musqueum, Tsawwassen, Semihamoo, Qayqayt, Sto:Lo and 
> Kwikwetlen Peoples.
> /
>
>
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2020 at 21:32, grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com 
> <mailto:grarpamp at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     > http://dgsociety.org/dgo-2021/call-for-proposals/
>
>     > liberatory ideas
>     > government (or governance)
>
>     These are mutually exclusive.
>
>     > governance
>     > anarchic
>
>     These are mututally exclusive.
>
>     > Digital Government Research
>     > innovations in digital politics and government
>
>     Permanent lifelong intergenerational databases
>     of all lives, transactions, words, thoughts, love,
>     DNA, surveillance, spying, lightswitch digital control
>     of the "misinformation" that is your mind and body,
>     censorship, rampant media bias, forced lockdown and
>     inoculation, license logon and permission required
>     for all daily activities including authenticating to
>     your toilet bowl for the morning piss, checkpointed
>     biometric embedded body tags, papers please travel,
>     encryption bans, firearm bans, 6G reporting in realtime,
>     facial gait voice analysis, web bugs, NSA, GovCorp in
>     everything you do, and much much more you despots
>     have yet to dream up, beyond all above which you've
>     already implemented.
>
>     > models of governance
>
>     All such in all symposiums on same on this so called "liberation"
>     list in recent years have all been, disgustingly, about how to keep
>     building further structures of enslavement over other harmless humans
>     who've done nothing to you, through forcing yourself and your will
>     over
>     them, ultimately under threat of death. You are guilty.
>
>
>     So for remainder of this month, instead of titillating yourselves
>     over yet another such boring and wrong conference...
>     go search, read, and watch...
>
>     Voluntaryism, Libertarian, peace love and Anarchism,
>     Taxation is Theft, War is Murder, Austrian Economics / Free Markets,
>     Bitcoin documentaries, Anarcho Capitalism, Non Aggression Principle,
>     Natural Law, etc... and yes, even...
>     > crypto-anarchism
>
>     Anything but yet more forcing yourself over others via non
>     "liberatory ideas" scam of "democracy" and digital govern[ment|nance].
>
>     Then come back and talk about what actions of ungovernance
>     need done towards reaching living in an actual state of liberation.
>
>     Because what's being talked 100:1 on this list has
>     absolutely not been actual liberation, nor even tech,
>     but more politically entrenched systems of GovCorp
>     power and control.
>
>     That's very bad.
>     For you.
>     And your children.
>     And you know it.
>
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