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<p>I think you misunderstand the nature of anarchy that may be being
posited. The absence of government does not preclude, or
necessitate the presence of violence or danger. Indeed some of the
oldest participatory communities in the world (certain Swiss
cantons) and some of the newest (eg. Somaliland) incorporate
decentralised models of participatory shared responsibilities and
contract-based services - sweep/pave/protect the streets and you
get paid n-amount of [monetary value], and if they fail, or are
disintermediated by competitors and/or societal changes, then they
are replaced or fired*. No one thinks twice about this with their
tech; yet somehow civic particpation is seen as precious requiring
an immutable/eternal power structure.</p>
<p>Think outside the box and good things can be allowed to happen.</p>
<p>Greets to all,<br>
Lee</p>
<p>* Sometimes known as "anarcho-capitalism"</p>
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<div><font
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face="Tunga,Sans-Serif">That
the American
public has
reached a
stage of
(de)evolution
to the point
where some
folks see
"guns" somehow
as
"liberatory"
and not see
that their
society (and
government)
has amassed
the largest
military in
history aided
and abetted by
the armaments
and security
complexes
(including
said gun
manufacturers),
once again
illustrates
the
contradictions
of
(communicative)
capitalism. <br>
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<div><font
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face="Tunga,Sans-Serif">"Muskets
vs. Military
Style Assault
Rifles" or
"Guns vs.
Butter" are
questions of
and about
governance,
governmentality,
public policy
and yes, too,
at times
"market
failure"
(whether on
questions of
Pandemic,
Climate Change
or Digital
Divides). Such
are the myriad
ways in which
public choices
are also about
governance,
governmentality
and the
demos. To
suggest that
anarchy is
only about
non-governance
strikes me as
a type of
magical
thinking
particularly
in a global
system of
nation-states,
firms,
communities
that have
elected or
appointed
governmentalities
and modes /
models of
governance. A
co-operative,
credit union,
school board
or voluntary
fire fighters
team all have
employed modes
of governance,
just as larger
geographic
entities
have. All can
potentially be
corrupt or
corrupted, but
to somehow
imagine that
the baby
should be
thrown out in
the name of
'anarchy'
seems to be a
problematic
reading from
the political
right or
libertarian
techies. <br>
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<div><font
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<hr> <font
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Faculty &
Instructor. <i>Geography
& The
Environment. </i><br>
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Polytechnic
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is located on
the </i><i>unceded
lands &
waters of the
Kwantlen, Katzie, Musqueum, Tsawwassen, Semihamoo, Qayqayt, Sto:Lo and
Kwikwetlen
Peoples. <br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 9 Nov 2020 at 21:32,
grarpamp <<a href="mailto:grarpamp@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">grarpamp@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> <a
href="http://dgsociety.org/dgo-2021/call-for-proposals/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://dgsociety.org/dgo-2021/call-for-proposals/</a><br>
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> liberatory ideas<br>
> government (or governance)<br>
<br>
These are mutually exclusive.<br>
<br>
> governance<br>
> anarchic<br>
<br>
These are mututally exclusive.<br>
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> Digital Government Research<br>
> innovations in digital politics and government<br>
<br>
Permanent lifelong intergenerational databases<br>
of all lives, transactions, words, thoughts, love,<br>
DNA, surveillance, spying, lightswitch digital control<br>
of the "misinformation" that is your mind and body,<br>
censorship, rampant media bias, forced lockdown and<br>
inoculation, license logon and permission required<br>
for all daily activities including authenticating to<br>
your toilet bowl for the morning piss, checkpointed<br>
biometric embedded body tags, papers please travel,<br>
encryption bans, firearm bans, 6G reporting in realtime,<br>
facial gait voice analysis, web bugs, NSA, GovCorp in<br>
everything you do, and much much more you despots<br>
have yet to dream up, beyond all above which you've<br>
already implemented.<br>
<br>
> models of governance<br>
<br>
All such in all symposiums on same on this so called
"liberation"<br>
list in recent years have all been, disgustingly, about how
to keep<br>
building further structures of enslavement over other
harmless humans<br>
who've done nothing to you, through forcing yourself and
your will over<br>
them, ultimately under threat of death. You are guilty.<br>
<br>
<br>
So for remainder of this month, instead of titillating
yourselves<br>
over yet another such boring and wrong conference...<br>
go search, read, and watch...<br>
<br>
Voluntaryism, Libertarian, peace love and Anarchism,<br>
Taxation is Theft, War is Murder, Austrian Economics / Free
Markets,<br>
Bitcoin documentaries, Anarcho Capitalism, Non Aggression
Principle,<br>
Natural Law, etc... and yes, even...<br>
> crypto-anarchism<br>
<br>
Anything but yet more forcing yourself over others via non<br>
"liberatory ideas" scam of "democracy" and digital
govern[ment|nance].<br>
<br>
Then come back and talk about what actions of ungovernance<br>
need done towards reaching living in an actual state of
liberation.<br>
<br>
Because what's being talked 100:1 on this list has<br>
absolutely not been actual liberation, nor even tech,<br>
but more politically entrenched systems of GovCorp<br>
power and control.<br>
<br>
That's very bad.<br>
For you.<br>
And your children.<br>
And you know it.<br>
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