[liberationtech] What could we at Liberationtech do to help pro-democracy HK activists protest China's new security law?

Wed May 27 21:55:56 CEST 2020

It would seem the people in HK would know best what they want/need. The
next question is how best to get that to them. We can't assume easy
channels. There are many tools available they could use but if getting them
to them exposes them, it's for naught.

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On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 2:56 PM Yosem Companys <ycompanys at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is an excellent follow up. Thank you. I will bring up to the topic
> with the folks in Hong Kong and pose these questions to them as well.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2020 6:32 PM, Robert Mathews (OSIA) mathews at hawaii.edu
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 5/26/20 6:00 AM, lt-request at lists.liberationtech.org wrote:
>>
>> From:
>> Yosem Companys <ycompanys at gmail.com> <ycompanys at gmail.com>
>>
>> Date:
>> 5/25/20, 6:55 PM
>>
>> To:
>> Eric FU <fujunscnu at gmail.com> <fujunscnu at gmail.com>
>>
>> CC:
>> LT <lt at lists.liberationtech.org> <lt at lists.liberationtech.org>
>> Of course. But this is not a push model. Local actors have already asked
>> for our help. They have asked we brainstorm ways in which Liberationtech
>> could help them do things that have not been done in the past.
>>
>>
>> I present my apologies in advance for *this quick penning,* and for
>> presenting the following multi-dimensional content to the group -- in the
>> way that I estimate the content must be, and has been presented below.
>>
>> The question in the 'subject-line' of the original message Yosem had
>> dispatched to the list read: "What could we at Liberationtech do to help
>> pro-democracy HK activists protest China's new security law?"
>> Subsequently, Yosem shared more information in a message to Eric Fu,
>> stating, "They have asked we brainstorm ways in which Liberationtech could
>> help them do things that have not been done in the past."
>>
>> To this, some clarification might benefit all.  WHAT is the problem "in
>> reality," that Liberationtech could assist brainstorm-on, and possibly as a
>> "crowd-resource"?   Is it, to reveal more effective ways of "demonstrating"
>> the opposition's position, or are there "other" implied/undeclared
>> objectives upon which a "brainstorming" must be had?
>>
>> I present the following open-source media reporting as a basis for asking
>> the aforementioned questions.  Permit me to further highlight the issues
>> "on the ground", as reported.
>>
>> Since 9/11, police forces around the world have increasingly become
>> para-militarized.  Consequentially, in this and other instances, when
>> established instruments of "power-systems" meet/confront
>> citizens-on-the-street (as it has in Hong Kong), on such matters as the
>> seemingly 'inexorable' political condition there (as the *AFP* story
>> indicates below), the confrontations with Police forces will increasingly
>> become brutal and destructive.  But, this is NOT just a post 9/11
>> condition, it is historical.  *(**Comments Continue below the link)*
>>
>> *Hong Kong police stamp out national anthem law protests*
>> AFP
>> 27 MAY 2020
>>
>> https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/hong-kong-police-stamp-out-national-anthem-law-protests-doc-1sa9dv7
>>
>> --->
>>
>> Also, considering that the U.S. State Department has "hurriedly
>> communicated" to US Congress that conditions in Hong Kong are no longer
>> tenable/in compliance with findings and declarations under "22 USC Ch. 66 -
>> Subchapter 1 - Policy (United States-Hong Kong Policy)"  [
>> https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title22/chapter66&edition=prelim
>> AND
>> https://www.state.gov/prc-national-peoples-congress-proposal-on-hong-kong-national-security-legislation/
>> ]  and therefore, recommending that the standing US policy be revoked, only
>> complicates matters *(enormously)* for ALL residents of Hong Kong.
>>
>> Adjacently, in media reporting from the Sub-Continent, NDTV has noted the
>> sentiments of a Hotel Manager and a female protester as follows:
>>
>> *"I'm scared ... if you don't come out today, you'll never be able to
>> come out. This is legislation that directly affects us," said Ryan Tsang, a
>> hotel manager.*
>>
>> AND
>>
>> *"Although you're afraid inside your heart, you need to speak out," said
>> Chang, 29, a clerk and protester dressed in black with a helmet respirator
>> and goggles in her backpack.*
>>
>> Street demonstrations aside, how are the residents of Hong Kong to
>> productively determine their future, and can they?  Is "showing-up" on the
>> street, the adequate measure to be taken?
>>
>> *(**Comments Continue below the link)*
>>
>> *Riot Police Deployed In Hong Kong Over Protests Against Chinese Anthem
>> Bill*
>> The anthem bill is set for a second reading on Wednesday and is expected
>> to become law next month.
>> NDTV
>> May 27, 2020 11:37 am IST
>>
>> https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/riot-police-deployed-in-hong-kong-over-protests-against-chinese-anthem-bill-2235785
>>
>> --->
>>
>> Given the escalations we are witnessing, what is the strategy (if any)
>> of/for residents and their political future in Hong Kong?  What, if
>> anything, can Liberatontech do to support in that regard, is a question
>> that could - more concretely - be posed....  (personal view)...    External
>> to that, WHAT precisely must/can Liberationtech 'brainstorm', and with what
>> goal for Hong Kong in mind?
>>
>> A few more recent open-source media reports that might bre more
>> informational for the membership....
>>
>> *Hong Kong's richest man Li Ka-shing defends China's plans for security
>> law*
>> CNN Digital Rebranding 2013
>> By Michelle Toh,
>> CNN Business
>> Updated 8:08 AM ET, Wed May 27, 2020
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/27/business/li-ka-shing-hong-kong-intl-hnk/index.html
>>
>> -->
>>
>> *China's Hong Kong law set to bar foreign judges from national security
>> cases: sources*
>> Yew Lun Tian
>> REUTERS
>> MAY 26, 2020
>>
>> https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-parliament-hongkong-security/chinas-hong-kong-law-set-to-bar-foreign-judges-from-national-security-cases-sources-idUSKBN2321CW
>>
>> BEIJING (Reuters) - Beijing’s planned national security legislation for
>> Hong Kong is set to block its foreign judges from handling national
>> security trials, people familiar with the matter said, which would
>> exacerbate concerns about the city’s judicial independence.
>> --
>>
>>
>> *Dr. Robert Mathews, D.Phil. Principal Technologist & **Distinguished
>> Senior Research Scholar*
>> *Office of Scientific Inquiry & Applications (OSIA)*
>> *University of Hawai'i*
>>
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