<div dir="ltr">It would seem the people in HK would know best what they want/need. The next question is how best to get that to them. We can't assume easy channels. There are many tools available they could use but if getting them to them exposes them, it's for naught.</div><div id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br>
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</table><a href="#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2" width="1" height="1"></a></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 2:56 PM Yosem Companys <<a href="mailto:ycompanys@gmail.com">ycompanys@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <u></u> <div style="word-break:break-word"> <table lang="container" dir="ltr" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" valign="top" style="width:100%"> <tbody><tr> <td valign="top" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif"> <div dir="ltr">This is an excellent follow up. Thank you. I will bring up to the topic with the folks in Hong Kong and pose these questions to them as well.</div><img align="left" width="0" height="0" style="border: 0px; width: 0px; height: 0px;" src="https://track.mixmax.com/api/track/v2/xlP4aBTk4G05VnSkX/i02bj5CbpFWbnB0c55WYw12bjlnI/IyZy9mLoNWZ052bpRXYyVmYpxmLzR3cpxGQ0xmI/gIUxkI?sc=false" alt=""> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <div> <div> <p><br></p> <div class="gmail_extra"> <p><br></p> <div class="gmail_quote"> On Wed, May 27, 2020 6:32 PM, Robert Mathews (OSIA) <span dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:mathews@hawaii.edu" target="_blank">mathews@hawaii.edu</a></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <u></u> <br> <div lang="x-unicode"> <div>On 5/26/20 6:00 AM, <a href="mailto:lt-request@lists.liberationtech.org" target="_blank">lt-request@lists.liberationtech.org</a> wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px"> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody> <tr> <td> <div style="display:inline">From: </div> Yosem Companys <a href="mailto:ycompanys@gmail.com" target="_blank"><ycompanys@gmail.com></a></td> </tr> <tr> <td> <div style="display:inline">Date: </div> 5/25/20, 6:55 PM</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody> <tr> <td> <div style="display:inline">To: </div> Eric FU <a href="mailto:fujunscnu@gmail.com" target="_blank"><fujunscnu@gmail.com></a></td> </tr> <tr> <td> <div style="display:inline">CC: </div> LT <a href="mailto:lt@lists.liberationtech.org" target="_blank"><lt@lists.liberationtech.org></a></td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <br> <div lang="x-unicode"> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" lang="container" style="width:100%" valign="top" dir="ltr"> <tbody> <tr> <td valign="top" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif"> <div dir="ltr">Of course. But this is not a push model. Local actors have already asked for our help. They have asked <span>we brainstorm</span> ways in which Liberationtech could help them do things that have not been done in the past. <div><br> </div> </div> <img align="left" height="0" width="0" alt="" src="https://compose.mixmax.com/img/blank.png" style="border: 0px; width: 0px; height: 0px;"> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> </blockquote> <div><br> I present my apologies in advance for <b>this quick penning,</b> and for presenting the following multi-dimensional content to the group -- in the way that I estimate the content must be, and has been presented below.<br> <br> The question in the 'subject-line' of the original message Yosem had dispatched to the list read: "What could we at Liberationtech do to help pro-democracy HK activists protest China's new security law?" Subsequently, Yosem shared more information in a message to Eric Fu, stating, "They have asked we brainstorm ways in which Liberationtech could help them do things that have not been done in the past."<br> <br> To this, some clarification might benefit all. WHAT is the problem "in reality," that Liberationtech could assist brainstorm-on, and possibly as a "crowd-resource"? Is it, to reveal more effective ways of "demonstrating" the opposition's position, or are there "other" implied/undeclared objectives upon which a "brainstorming" must be had? <br> <br> I present the following open-source media reporting as a basis for asking the aforementioned questions. Permit me to further highlight the issues "on the ground", as reported.<br> <br> Since 9/11, police forces around the world have increasingly become para-militarized. Consequentially, in this and other instances, when established instruments of "power-systems" meet/confront citizens-on-the-street (as it has in Hong Kong), on such matters as the seemingly 'inexorable' political condition there (as the <b>AFP</b> story indicates below), the confrontations with Police forces will increasingly become brutal and destructive. But, this is NOT just a post 9/11 condition, it is historical. <b>(</b><b>Comments Continue below the link)</b><br> <br> <font size="+1"><b>Hong Kong police stamp out national anthem law protests</b></font><br> AFP<br> 27 MAY 2020<br> <a href="https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/hong-kong-police-stamp-out-national-anthem-law-protests-doc-1sa9dv7" target="_blank">https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/hong-kong-police-stamp-out-national-anthem-law-protests-doc-1sa9dv7</a><br> <br> ---><br> <br> Also, considering that the U.S. State Department has "hurriedly communicated" to US Congress that conditions in Hong Kong are no longer tenable/in compliance with findings and declarations under "22 USC Ch. 66 - Subchapter 1 - Policy (United States-Hong Kong Policy)" [ <a href="https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title22/chapter66&edition=prelim" target="_blank">https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title22/chapter66&edition=prelim</a> AND <a href="https://www.state.gov/prc-national-peoples-congress-proposal-on-hong-kong-national-security-legislation/" target="_blank">https://www.state.gov/prc-national-peoples-congress-proposal-on-hong-kong-national-security-legislation/</a> ] and therefore, recommending that the standing US policy be revoked, only complicates matters <font color="#ff0000"><b>(enormously)</b></font> for ALL residents of Hong Kong.<br> <br> Adjacently, in media reporting from the Sub-Continent, NDTV has noted the sentiments of a Hotel Manager and a female protester as follows:<br> <blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px"><i>"I'm scared ... if you don't come out today, you'll never be able to come out. This is legislation that directly affects us," said Ryan Tsang, a hotel manager.</i><i><br> </i><i><br> </i>AND<i><br> </i><i><br> </i><i>"Although you're afraid inside your heart, you need to speak out," said Chang, 29, a clerk and protester dressed in black with a helmet respirator and goggles in her backpack.</i><i><br> <br> </i></blockquote> Street demonstrations aside, how are the residents of Hong Kong to productively determine their future, and can they? Is "showing-up" on the street, the adequate measure to be taken?<br> <br> <b>(</b><b>Comments Continue below the link)</b><br> <br> <font size="+1"><b>Riot Police Deployed In Hong Kong Over Protests Against Chinese Anthem Bill</b></font><br> The anthem bill is set for a second reading on Wednesday and is expected to become law next month.<br> NDTV<br> May 27, 2020 11:37 am IST<br> <a href="https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/riot-police-deployed-in-hong-kong-over-protests-against-chinese-anthem-bill-2235785" target="_blank">https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/riot-police-deployed-in-hong-kong-over-protests-against-chinese-anthem-bill-2235785</a><br> <br> ---><br> <br> Given the escalations we are witnessing, what is the strategy (if any) of/for residents and their political future in Hong Kong? What, if anything, can Liberatontech do to support in that regard, is a question that could - more concretely - be posed.... (personal view)... External to that, WHAT precisely must/can Liberationtech 'brainstorm', and with what goal for Hong Kong in mind?<br> <br> A few more recent open-source media reports that might bre more informational for the membership....<br> <br> <font size="+1"><b>Hong Kong's richest man Li Ka-shing defends China's plans for security law</b></font><br> CNN Digital Rebranding 2013<br> By Michelle Toh, <br> CNN Business<br> Updated 8:08 AM ET, Wed May 27, 2020<br> <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/27/business/li-ka-shing-hong-kong-intl-hnk/index.html" target="_blank">https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/27/business/li-ka-shing-hong-kong-intl-hnk/index.html</a><br> <br> --><br> <br> <font size="+1"><b>China's Hong Kong law set to bar foreign judges from national security cases: sources</b></font><br> Yew Lun Tian<br> REUTERS<br> MAY 26, 2020<br> <a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-parliament-hongkong-security/chinas-hong-kong-law-set-to-bar-foreign-judges-from-national-security-cases-sources-idUSKBN2321CW" target="_blank">https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-parliament-hongkong-security/chinas-hong-kong-law-set-to-bar-foreign-judges-from-national-security-cases-sources-idUSKBN2321CW</a><br> <br> BEIJING (Reuters) - Beijing’s planned national security legislation for Hong Kong is set to block its foreign judges from handling national security trials, people familiar with the matter said, which would exacerbate concerns about the city’s judicial independence.<br> -- <br> <font color="#b3b3b3"><i>Dr. Robert Mathews, D.Phil.<br> Principal Technologist &<br> </i><i>Distinguished Senior Research Scholar</i><i><br> </i><i>Office of Scientific Inquiry & Applications (OSIA)</i><i><br> </i><i>University of Hawai'i</i></font></div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> -- <br>
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