[liberationtech] "The Nine Most Terrifying Words In The English Language", Pre-dates Reagan...

[Richard Brooks]

This begs the question as to what a more desirable
society would be.

In reality, our social structures are engineered to
maintain a primate dominance hierarchy that uses
signaling of varying kinds (class, monetary worth,
ethnic group) to determine which group of people
dominates.

Current technologies are well designed for maintaining
these structures by advertising the different
social signals.

If anyone has an alternative type of society, I am
interested. Insect instead of primate? Matriarchy
leveraging pheromone signals to replace primate
patriarchy and threats of violence as signals.
That would be one alternative that we have not
tried.

On 6/2/20 1:25 PM, Robert Mathews (OSIA) wrote:
> 
> 
> On 6/2/20 6:00 AM, lt-request at lists.liberationtech.org wrote:
> 
>> Subject:
>> Re: [liberationtech] "The Nine Most Terrifying Words In The English
>> Language", Pre-dates Reagan...
>> From:
>> grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com>
>> Date:
>> 6/2/20, 4:22 AM
>>
>> To:
>> lt at lists.liberationtech.org
>>
>>
>> On 6/1/20, Robert Mathews (OSIA) <mathews at hawaii.edu> wrote:
>>> When parties do not extend the required effort to study and learn from
>>> human history, take active interest and a very personal involvement in
>>> governance, the proper steering of the State, is not possible....
>> [ .... ]
>> When faced with such repeated proven and assured failures,
>> you must try a completely different new approach...
> 
> Before I write, that which I wish to write, I would like to state the
> following explicitly, and without equivocation.  There is a VERY SERIOUS
> need for societies to have critical questions relating to
> "common-futures" brought to the surface, pondered and answered.
> 
> In relation to the reply that I have received, I shall optimistically
> present questions I wish to ask -- having no intention/motive
> whatsoever, to troll/bait/trap parties.  Having said that, the FIRST
> question that I would ask is:  Do you wish to share a proposal toward a
> different approach...  or a "new approach", as you refer to it?
> 
>> Forget the State, this "governing" business, your wrong desire to insert
>> yourself in rule over other harmless peoples... steer yourself, your
>> own charitable contributions and right actions, teach others to do same,
>> world will be just fine.
>>
> For the sake of this exchange, I shall presume, and healthily, that the
> aforementioned reference to, "your wrong desire", etc., in fact, do not
> directly involve me, personally.   With that general presumption, and
> accompanied by the statement above relating to my motive to ask these
> questions, the SECOND question would be: "how" basic and essential
> societal functions are to be generally met.  How do you propose people
> organize themselves in a new model - in the absence of governance
> systems and functionaries?   And, within the context of a
> "post-industrial" society, how should an evolving model be constituted?
> 
>> "Freedom" is the most terrifying word, in all languages.
>> You will never reach it without first developing it within yourself.
> 
> Freedom is NOT such a frightful word to me, or many that I know. 
> However, I suspect, depending on whom one queries, the meaning of the
> word "freedom" is likely to receive vastly inconsistent interpretation
> and treatment, as it will likely be, in the case of words such as
> "democracy" or "justice".  The manner in which you have chosen to refer,
> and to contextualize "freedom" -- in a highly individualized manner, is
> interesting.   However, for the sake of greater connected understanding,
> it might be helpful to learn, what the pillars to "freedom" could/should
> be, under any new proposed MODEL; highly differentiating the same, from
> "State" and "Governance" systems as such.
> 
> Also, it would be helpful to me - to understand, "how" (if it can be
> discussed here), Information Technology tools and services could help
> populations evolve beyond present states.
> 
> -- 
> /Dr. Robert Mathews, D.Phil.
> Principal Technologist &
> //Distinguished Senior Research Scholar//
> //Office of Scientific Inquiry & Applications (OSIA)//
> //University of Hawai'i/
> 


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