[liberationtech] Strength of Political Action, In The Era of COVID-19... More Theatrics & Side-Shows.

[David Stodolsky]

> On 25 Apr 2020, at 20:44, Marc Sunet <msunet at shellblade.net> wrote:
> 
> So you really are going to make me click on that google link, aren't you David :)?
> 
> 
Asymptomatic transmission was first discussed in my 1997 paper, which is also available in the files area:

https://groups.io/g/MedicalEthics <https://groups.io/g/MedicalEthics>


dss


> Would you please summarise how the asymptomatic transmission is handled then?
> 
> On 4/25/20 11:40 AM, David Stodolsky wrote:
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>>> On 25 Apr 2020, at 19:38, Marc Sunet <msunet at shellblade.net <mailto:msunet at shellblade.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry, I still don't understand how the system you describe in that
>>> video would work at scale, nor how it protects people's privacy.
>> 
>> The video is not intended to answer these questions. 
>> It aims to show how exposure can be avoided.
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I also don't see how the system would work at scale. In example (1),
>>> rooms 1 and 2 are marked as contaminated simply because the person "was
>>> feeling under the weather”.
>> 
>> The rooms are marked contaminated as a result of a test, in the first instance.
>> 
>> 
>> dss
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>>> 
>>> Marc
>>> 
>>> On 4/25/20 12:46 AM, David Stodolsky wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 24 Apr 2020, at 22:43, msunet <msunet at shellblade.net <mailto:msunet at shellblade.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Another one I forgot: what about asymptomatic transmission, which seems quite big on this virus? (I think recent estimates in the US give 5-20 unknown infected for every known case; forgot the reference, sorry). I don't see how the tact systems can help with that; those people might never know they are carriers.
>>>> This issue is dealt with in my proposal:
>>>> 
>>>> https://groups.io/g/MedicalEthics/message/57 <https://groups.io/g/MedicalEthics/message/57>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> This movie shows operation of a central location service that supplies info to users that use it for local (decentral) decision making 
>>>> (illustrates the general principle of assessment of risk without a diagnostic test being required):
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0704kMeGUK13pjAZXoq4hXx4w#VirusRadarSimulation3 <https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0704kMeGUK13pjAZXoq4hXx4w#VirusRadarSimulation3>
>>>> 
>>>> discussed in this document:
>>>> 
>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_zxYlTkSnKQZXFsXzNwSDd3ZGs <https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_zxYlTkSnKQZXFsXzNwSDd3ZGs>
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>>>> 
>>>> dss
>>>> 
>>>> David Stodolsky, PhD                   Institute for Social Informatics
>>>> Tornskadestien 2, st. th., DK-2400 Copenhagen NV, Denmark
>>>> dss at socialinformatics.org <mailto:dss at socialinformatics.org>          Tel./Signal: +45 3095 4070
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>> David Stodolsky, PhD                   Institute for Social Informatics
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>> dss at socialinformatics.org <mailto:dss at socialinformatics.org>          Tel./Signal: +45 3095 4070
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David Stodolsky, PhD                   Institute for Social Informatics
Tornskadestien 2, st. th., DK-2400 Copenhagen NV, Denmark
dss at socialinformatics.org          Tel./Signal: +45 3095 4070

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