[liberationtech] Billions of reasons why officials should not trust Zoom

[Doug Schuler]

Maybe New Zealand?? Tim ??

Also: I totally agree that "planning in secrecy" and encryption are not the
*same* issue.

— Doug



On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:54 AM Yosem Companys <ycompanys at gmail.com> wrote:

> Probably the small ones: Estonia, for example.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 6:52 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
> alps6085 at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey Doug, PLEASE, I’d like a simple example of, not even the plural you
>> used, but a single one: “governments [that] are all acting on our behalf, *which
>> may actually be true in some locations in the world!!!"*
>>
>> Besides, there is a huge difference between “planning in secret” (BTW,
>> the usual rule in ALL of the FIRST WORLD) and issues of encryption..😈
>>
>> Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato,
>>
>> Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes
>> <alps at acm.org>
>> +1 (347) 766-5008
>>
>> On Apr 9, 2020, at 12:21 PM, Doug Schuler <
>> douglas at publicsphereproject.org> wrote:
>>
>> This is in no way to argue against security and the ability to keep
>> organized crime  from going where they don't belong — especially for
>> financial transactions and private information. On the other hand the line
>> "Our governments and their officials should plan in secret" seems to
>> strengthen the hand of despotic governments. It seems to imply that these
>> governments are all acting on our behalf, which may actually be true in
>> some locations in the world. I believe that government is absolutely
>> necessary but without transparency things are hopeless. In fact, maybe the
>> new emphasis on conferencing *could* help open things up.   I'm in a foul
>> humor because I live in the US and yes, "our" government does try very hard
>> to "plan in secret."
>>
>> — Doug
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 9:58 AM Tim McNamara <paperless at timmcnamara.co.nz>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all, keen to receive any feedback on this blog post I'm drafting...
>>
>> Billions of reasons why officials should not trust Zoom
>>
>> This year has seen governments take unprecedented action to defeat the
>> world's most significant public health threat in over a century. Much of
>> that action involves money. Lots of money.
>>
>> Officials and politicians deciding on economic stimulus packages around
>> have a problem: they can't talk face-to-face behind closed doors like
>> they're used to. Instead, they're turning to technology. Many of these
>> services have unproven security credentials. Using insecure tools will
>> allow the worst elements in our societies to benefit from the crisis.
>>
>> Starting now, there is an increased financial incentive to break into
>> video conferencing systems. Billions, perhaps trillions, of dollars of
>> subsidy money will be provided by governments around the world. That money
>> will be unevenly spread. Many companies will fall. Some will not.
>>
>> Organised criminals and hostile nation-states have significant
>> technological resources. They are well placed to exploit misplaced trust in
>> computer systems. Our governments and their officials should plan in
>> secret. Guaranteed secrecy while decisions are being made is the best way
>> to keep economies alive.
>>
>> Governments should consider hosting their own video conferencing
>> platform. Open-source tools such as Jitsi Meet, BigBlueButton and Apache
>> OpenMeetings can all be deployed cost-effectively and securely behind a
>> firewall. Perhaps most importantly, they don't require meeting participants
>> to install anything onto their computer.
>>
>> Deploying these open source video conferencing technologies provides
>> multiple benefits. The security within the system can be validated. Staff
>> managing the service can be vetted. Data can stay local. Most importantly
>> though, secrets can stay secret.
>>
>>
>>
>> Original https://cloud.nzoss.nz/s/F2r3rDZsEaypKNf
>>
>>
>> *Tim McNamara*
>> Vice President, New Zealand Open Source Society
>> Author, Rust in Action
>> https://tim.mcnamara.nz | @timClicks <http://twitter.com/timClicks>
>>
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