[liberationtech] Former FB security chief Alex Stamos consulting with Zoom on securityand safety

[bo0od]

one clarification on proprietary phone: :p

Yes all well known are either fully proprietary like IOS or parts of it 
like Android (like firmwares). (There are other OSs as well but all 
running into one of these categories)

Though there are good effort been done toward GNU/Linux Phone like:

Librem5: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/
PinePhone: https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/

To be fair about android there is only one fork of it which uses fully 
free software which is called Replicant:

https://www.replicant.us/



Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes:
> Well, that’s wonderful man, and don’t take it the wrong way, it was just a witness account of the facts..
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> I actually thought it was very cool that there was an open source videoconferencing platform that people would want to use for their business!
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> Please remind us a bit about Jitsi, the critical aspect for me (beyond the security/encryption thing of course!🤠😈) is that it wouldn’t require any special “app” to be downloaded for people to participate (which I think it does if my memory serves me wel), and that it would have an easy option for people to just call in without the video, and of course that both video and call-in would be available through a properly equipped (most likely PROPRIETARY🤠) smart phone.
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> Thanks!
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> Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato,
> 
> Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes
> <alps at acm.org>
> +1 (347) 766-5008
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>> On Apr 8, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Aaron van Meerten <aaron.van.meerten at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> We like to think we’ve gotten much better in the past 2 years.  We’d encourage you to try Jitsi again, as our architecture as well as videobridge SFU codebase have both improved quite a bit.
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>> If you still don’t like, we’d be happy to take feedback and try to continue to improve the platform, both on our own flagship (https://meet.jit.si/ <https://meet.jit.si/>) but also for anyone to deploy and run for themselves.
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>> Cheers,
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>> -Aaron
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>>> On Apr 8, 2020, at 2:11 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes <alps6085 at gmail.com <mailto:alps6085 at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>> OK granted they’re evil, just like the McDonalds hamburger you eat every once in a while, or the car you drive around and its carbon footprint. But not EVIL INCARNATE! 😈🤠
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>>>
>>> And my two cents on alternative platforms like Jitsi: between 2 and 3 years ago I had a series of videoconferences regarding employment with a supercool company **NOT EVEN EVIL!😈** and they were through JITSI. Not a pleasant experience. Now imagine that platform suddenly having to deliver to millions if not billions of people online in remote classes, meetings, chats, etc etc.. Granted, it was 2+ years ago, but nothing gets super better in that time lapse anygüeys.
>>>
>>> Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato,
>>>
>>> Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes
>>> <alps at acm.org <mailto:alps at acm.org>>
>>> +1 (347) 766-5008
>>>
>>>> On Apr 8, 2020, at 1:35 PM, bo0od <bo0od at riseup.net <mailto:bo0od at riseup.net>> wrote:
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>>>> who said in all what you have mentioned they are secure not evil? apple and google not evil? proprietary hardware backdoors not evil?
>>>>
>>>> so yes, just because something is PROPRIETARY it is EVIL , and first harm its doing which is locking user freedom not to mention censorship and ..etc
>>>>
>>>> We can say proprietary harmfulness can be from 1 - 10 but there is no 0 , all of them are harmful.
>>>>
>>>> Nice collection to look at for e.g:
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>>>> https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/ <https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/>
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>>>> Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes:
>>>>> bo0od,
>>>>> Apple is PROPRIETARY
>>>>> Most computer hardware is PROPRIETARY
>>>>> Google stuff is PROPRIETARY
>>>>> Most Internet Service Providers available to most people are VERY PROPRIETARY
>>>>> So, in that context, your comment seems to be moot. Just because something is PROPRIETARY doesn’t mean it’s EVIL INCARNATE. It may not be perfect, it certainly will have many flaws, some of them serious, but I bet and confirm in my personal experience that it also has many positives.
>>>>> Regards / Saludos / Grato
>>>>> Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
>>>>>> On Apr 8, 2020, at 12:52 PM, bo0od <bo0od at riseup.net <mailto:bo0od at riseup.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> what a stupid discussion. To make it smart one first FREE SOFTWARE THE APP!! then we talk about smartness , security , privacy...etc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Zoom is PROPRIETARY based in USA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yosem Companys:
>>>>>>> tform and his
>>>>>>> willingness to take aggressive action to get there. He asked if I would be
>>>>>>> interested in helping Zoom build up its security, privacy and
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