[liberationtech] Time to Switch to Discord & Mozilla Firefox?

[aryt alasti]

I read that Riot.im was down in April due to a Matrix hack.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/matrix-hack-forces-servers-offline-user-credentials-leaked/


Aryt

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 3:14 PM Petter Ericson <pettter at acc.umu.se> wrote:

> On 24 juni, 2019 - axel simon wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 10:17:02PM -0700, Yosem Companys wrote:
> > > Discord: what Facebook is trying to become.
> > >
> https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/03/how-discord-went-mainstream-influencers/584671/
> > >
> > > Why to switch from Google Chrome to Mozilla Firefox.
> > >
> https://www.siliconvalley.com/2019/06/21/google-chrome-has-become-surveillance-software-its-time-to-switch/
> > >
> >
> > Hi,
> > Discord is interesting in that it's popular and offers people the
> possibility to have their own community (which they call "server", I
> believe), but there's nothing free and open source about it.
>
> As of this writing, Discord has, as if to prove this point, been globally
> unavailable due to Cloudflare issues.
>
> > Matrix, and its main client Riot, are much more interesting to me
> currently, as they are (ambitiously) trying to solve multiple problems at
> once: a modern chat system, with voice and video and file sharing, with
> end-to-end cryptography, while maintaining a decentralised network
> architecture so that anyone can run their own instance, join and federate
> with the rest.
>
> Well, to harp on about long lost battles - XMPP did it first. I firmly
> believe that if all the effort spent on Matrix clients had instead been put
> into improving XMPP, then it would far surpass the current standards of
> both. Even so, XMPP is the protocol with several independent and mutually
> compatible server _and_ client implementations, as well a well-established
> protocol (and protocol extension process).
>
> > Current versions of Riot might not be entirely as slick as Discord, but
> they are getting better and they are very usable.
> > Incidently, Matrix has bridges to connect to other chat network (and
> ideally, bridge them together, hence the name), and can bridge to Discord.
> So there's a possibility of getting everyone to play nice with each other.
>
> Bridging has, time and again, shown itself to be a Much Harder Problem
> than may be apparent, with massive amounts of boring corner cases and
> exceptions. We'll see.
> >
> > Regarding Firefox vs. Chrome, Firefox has been the only browser (with
> any relevant market share) that isn't the product of a for profit company
> for a while. While Mozilla have made questionable descisions at time (and
> outright mistakes at others), that alone should be a strong argument to
> consider where one gets their browser from. I recall reading a statement in
> an article around Chrome's release about 10 years ago by then-CEO Eric
> Schmidt explaining that at the end of the day, if you want to be able to
> really control and see what users are doing, you need your own browser.
> This was when people couldn't quite understand why Google would build its
> own browser when Firefox had manage to end the Internet Explorer dead lock
> and they had a good relationship.
> > That passage really stayed with me (and if anyone were to find it, I'd
> be very greatful, I can't seem to do so).
> >
> > So yes, it's not that surprising that, when push comes to shove, the
> engineering teams working on Chrome have to bow to the business priorities
> of Google, the world's (more or less) biggest advertisement company.
>
> I'm in complete agreement.
>
> > Cheers,
> >
> > axel
> >
> > --
> > axel simon
> > mail/matrix: axelsimon at axelsimon.net
> > twitter: @axelsimon
> >
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