[liberationtech] The Invention of "Ethical AI"

[carlo von lynX]

On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 03:13:27PM -0600, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote:
> Anonymity doesn’t protect “Particular Social Groups” and aggregate anonymous data analysis and mining is the basis for discrimination of entire segments of the population! Like zip code discrimination. Food deserts. Etc.

True, so the total unavailability of private and personal data for
centralized analysis wouldn't even be enough as we still have to
work through the dangers of public data. But radical privacy sounds
to me like the most important starting point.

On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 1:05 PM John Young <jya at pipeline.com> wrote:
> "Ethical" is a marketing, manipulative term, applied to exploitive, 
> deceptive initiatives.

I can very well imagine that the marketing individuals introducing
the word into their corporate discourse may all be well-intentioned.
The problem happens beyond their immediate understanding as corporate
structures acting within the capitalist framework cannot effectively
act ethically unless all of their costumers are extremily aware,
caring and able to check the effective application of ethical values -
and putting such values before their own individual interest.

In the era of individualism this just isn't happening, therefore any
company trying to make things ethical will fall into competitive
disadvantage against those who don't.

So even if there is a genuine attempt of a company leadership to go
ethical, it must be stopped ASAP to stop losing market share. So the
leadership will be replaced if it doesn't stop the ethical madness
on time.

In the capitalist system, the only ethical force lies in legislation,
government and jurisdiction. The market is structurally unable to
ever act ethically by itself.


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