[liberationtech] Price of the #MuslimBan

[Yosem Companys]

Also for a little laugh, check out Cantinflas crossing the wall into the
USA. It is especially funny for those of you who speak Spanish:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7mMueuIAZE

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Yosem Companys <companys at stanford.edu>
wrote:

> I second Doc on this one.
>
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Doc Searls <
> dsearls at cyber.law.harvard.edu> wrote:
>
>> We are in new territory here, and need to be careful with
>> characterization—and much more.
>>
>> A few days ago I spoke with a woman I know, a hard-core Orange County
>> (CA) Republican, who held her nose when she voted for Trump. Also a good
>> Catholic, she now prays every day for the country, "because he's crazy."
>> Yet when I asked her how she would vote if the election were today, her
>> answer was "I could never vote for that woman." Would she still vote for
>> Trump? "I don't know," she said.
>>
>> The Times reports a hotel hacked and shaken down for bitcoin, : <
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/world/europe/hotel-austr
>> ia-bitcoin-ransom.html> The Verge reports that other reports weren’t
>> quite true: <http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/30/14438226/hackers-austrian
>> -hotel-bitcoin-ransom-ransomware>. Bottom line that isn’t: it’s
>> complicated. And there are many "its."
>>
>> No doubt Trump and his boy Bannon are expert at understanding and playing
>> their opponents, which happen to be the news media on which most of the
>> rest of us rely. I could go on about that, the problems here are obvious.
>> As for the consequences, we only see the early and immediate ones, and much
>> of those are (for all their good intentions) knee-jerk blowback.
>>
>> So I caution everybody to take as sober, removed, informed and considered
>> a view as possible—and to avoid falling into the default grooves of thought
>> and sympathy. We all need to be broader than that, just to begin to get
>> handles on what’s going on, then what to do.
>>
>> My 2¢ anyway, on one Monday morning.
>>
>> doc
>>
>> > On Jan 30, 2017, at 10:35 AM, ernesto ortiz <ernestortizcu at yahoo.es>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > El 30/1/17 a las 6:51 p. m., Rich Kulawiec escribió:
>> >>> I've tried to avoid commenting too much on Trump's election to avoid
>> >>> demonizing Republicans and people in my network who support him.
>> >> And that's fine, and noble, and nice of you.  But understand very,
>> >> VERY clearly: they will not hesitate to do that to you.
>> > Really? Are you sure that Republicans here -all of them- are so bad that
>> > undoubtedly do not hesitate to demonize the others? That's precisely the
>> > typical scheme of someone who demonise the people just for having a
>> > different ideology or creed.
>> >>
>> >> If you're not a (a) white (b) Christian (c) American citizen then
>> you're
>> >> going to be targeted.  It's not a question of "if", only of "when".
>> >> (And some people who are all three will be targeted anyway: women,
>> >> LBGTQ, journalists, academics, scientists come to mind immediately.)
>> >>
>> >>      When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag
>> >>      and carrying a cross.
>> >>              --- Sinclair Lewis
>> >>
>> >> This current episode is just a test to see what kind of reaction
>> ensues.
>> >> It's a probe for weaknesses.  It has NOTHING to do with stopping
>> terrorism:
>> >> in fact, it's designed to increase the probability of attacks --
>> because
>> >> that will make subsequent steps much easier.  (Note the careful
>> exemption
>> >> of majority-Muslim countries in which Trump owns hotels/resorts.)
>> >>
>> >> ---rsk
>> >
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