[liberationtech] investing in liberation tech

Tue Nov 11 06:36:55 PST 2014

Venn Diagrams are so lame that they were "deprecated" a long time ago as
the basis of "official Math!" ROFL

what I'd be interested to know regarding "angel investors" and Chile, is
exactly what is meant by this statement in the website originally
referenced in the email starting this thread:

" We can achieve 7:1 leverage"

I was aware of the blank check totalling USD 12M the Chilean government
gives to "angels."
On Nov 11, 2014 6:00 AM, "J.M. Porup" <jm at porup.com> wrote:

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> If it helps, think of it as a Venn diagram. There is one set, that of
> profitable scalable innovation. There is another set, that of F/LOSS
> that give users digital freedom. Is there an intersection between
> these two sets? What will we find if look?
>
> I don't know. It is certainly a small subset, I'll grant you that.
> Still, worth exploring, don't you think?
>
> Jens
>
> On 11/11/14 05:00, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote:
> > Jens,
> >
> > I did speak of "tangents, secants, and lines with even more
> > intersections" between "profit" and "common good," didn't I?
> >
> > But there is a huge gap, oceans of "bad" or just "OK" between
> > those intersections, "few and far between," isn't it?
> >
> >
> > Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato,
> >
> > Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes <alps at acm.org> +1 (347) 766-5008
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:39 AM, J.M. Porup <jm at porup.com> wrote:
> > Andrés,
> >
> > I personally work with many angel investors who do not fit the
> > "devil with a checkbook" mold. These guys are heavily involved in
> > greentech / cleantech, people who are scared of climate change and
> > are investing money in developing next gen solar / wind / hydro /
> > etc.
> >
> > And here's the key insight: They want to change the world. For the
> > better. But they also recognize that they cannot do that unless
> > they harness the market to do so.
> >
> > Let me give you an example. I know an angel who invested in a
> > small company doing R & D in nuclear fusion. Is that project likely
> > to succeed? No. But what if it did? Free/cheap energy for all, and
> > a multi-billion dollar exit for the angel. Wouldn't you call that
> > a win/win for humanity?
> >
> > The intersection of liberation tech and the profit motive is
> > small. But it's also, IMHO, a sweet spot worth exploring. Because
> > whether we like it or not, money makes the world go around.
> >
> > Jens
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/10/14 19:37, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote:
> >>>> Ok, I read this post this morning, and I decided to let it
> >>>> "go." But the sun has set over this North Texas Wasteland, a
> >>>> "safe haven" for the type of "angels" this post mentions,
> >>>> and, with the onset darkness, Mr Hyde wakes up!
> >>>>
> >>>> There are no "angels" in that post! Why would anyone call
> >>>> "angel" someone expecting an obscenely high "return on
> >>>> investment?" True Angels don't expect "return on investment"
> >>>> at all!
> >>>>
> >>>> So please stop talking about "angel investors," unless you
> >>>> think the "hundred million dollar exit, minimum" expectation
> >>>> of Mephistophelian people are "angelical!"
> >>>>
> >>>> The fact is that profit and "common good" are most times
> >>>> divergent endeavours and, if they intersect, they'd be
> >>>> tangent, secant, perhaps even with more intersections, but -
> >>>> their Sims, goals, objectives are radically different!
> >>>>
> >>>> On Nov 10, 2014 9:49 AM, "J.M. Porup" <jm at porup.com
> >>>> <mailto:jm at porup.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Is it possible to make money investing in privacy- or
> >>>> security-focused startups?
> >>>>
> >>>> I am putting together an angel fund (in Chile, but keep
> >>>> reading). I am not an investor myself, but I'm in a position
> >>>> to evaluate and propose startups to our participating
> >>>> angels.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd really like to see an investment or two in liberation
> >>>> tech.
> >>>>
> >>>> After watching the flame war over Espionage (*not* rehashing
> >>>> that debate, please don't shoot), it occurred to me that the
> >>>> primary business model for successful innovation in this
> >>>> field is foundation money, not end users.
> >>>>
> >>>> But angel investors want to see a hundred million dollar
> >>>> exit, minimum.
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyone working on anything juicy in this space that would
> >>>> scale globally and make money too? Or am I looking for
> >>>> something that doesn't exist?
> >>>>
> >>>> Jens
> >>>>
> >>>>
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