[liberationtech] Skype Open Letter: CALL FOR SIGNATORIES

Tue Jan 22 04:33:35 PST 2013

Hello Nadim,

Can you add me as an individual, please.
Thanks for the great work.
Ophelia Noor

On 21 January 2013 22:31, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim at nadim.cc> wrote:

> Everyone has been added, thank you!
>
>
> NK
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Fran Parker <lilbambi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Can you add Fran Parker as an individual please.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
>>
>>> Added. Thank you!
>>>
>>>
>>> NK
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Martin Johnson<greatfire at greatfire.**
>>> org <greatfire at greatfire.org>>wrote:
>>>
>>>  GreatFire.org would like to sign. Thanks very much for doing this.
>>>>
>>>> Martin Johnson
>>>> Founder
>>>> https://GreatFire.org - Monitoring Online Censorship In China.
>>>> https://FreeWeibo.com - Uncensored, Anonymous Sina Weibo Search.
>>>> https://Unblock.cn.com - We Can Unblock Your Website In China.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Nadim Kobeissi<nadim at nadim.cc>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Amazing :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your support, everyone!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> NK
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Petter Ericson<pettter at acc.umu.se>**
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good work :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First: some nitpicking: third-parties in the second paragraph should
>>>>>> probably lose the hyphen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Second: I would be very happy to see a Telecomix signature on this
>>>>>> letter :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /P
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18 January, 2013 - Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Okay everyone,
>>>>>>> the *final draft* has been posted online, with the gracious
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> collaboration
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of the EFF. Please take a look at it, make sure you want to keep your
>>>>>>> signature there (or add it!)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.skypeopenletter.**com/draft/<http://www.skypeopenletter.com/draft/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We'll be publishing next week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 4:29 AM, Grégoire Pouget<gregoire at rsf.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   We'd like to see the final / rewritten version of the letter first
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but Reporters
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Without Borders<http://rsf.org>  would be happy to sign it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Le 17/01/2013 08:01, Nadim Kobeissi a écrit :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for your expert advice, Chris. We're currently in the process
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> reworking the letter with assistance from the EFF and we'll take
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> what you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> said into consideration.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> NK
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:58 AM, Christopher Soghoian<
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> chris at soghoian.net>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You may want to consider rewriting your law enforcement/government
>>>>>>>>> surveillance section:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As a result of the service being acquired by Microsoft in 2011, it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> now be required to comply with CALEA due to the company being
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> headquartered
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in Redmond, Washington. Furthermore, as a US-based communication
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> provider,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Skype would therefore be required to comply with the secretive
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> practice of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> National Security Letters.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   You don't articulate why being subject to CALEA is bad. Are the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> signing the letter arguing that law enforcement should never have
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> access to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> real-time intercepts of skype voice/video communications? If so,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> say that,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and why. If not, CALEA merely mandates access capabilities, it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> specify under what situations the government can perform an
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> interception,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Also, if you want to raise the issue of secretive surveillance
>>>>>>>>> practices, NSLs wouldn't be at the top of my list (yes, they don't
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> require
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a judge, but they can at best be used to obtain communications
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> metadata). I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> would instead focus your criticism of the fact that US surveillance
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> law
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> does not sufficiently protect communications between two non-US
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> persons,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and in particular, the government can intercept such communications
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> even having to demonstrate probable cause to a judge. Specifically,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> non-US
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> persons have a real reason to fear FISA Amendments Act of 2008
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> section 702
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Section 702 of the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 ("FAA"), codified
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> as 50
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> U.S.C. 1181a, which allows the Attorney General and the Director of
>>>>>>>>> National Intelligence ("DNI") to authorize jointly the targeting of
>>>>>>>>> non-United States persons for the purposes of gathering
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> intelligence for a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> period of up to one year. 50 U.S.C. 1881a(1). Section 702 contains
>>>>>>>>> restrictions, including the requirement that the surveillance "may
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> intentionally target any person known at the time of acquisition to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> located in the United States." 50 U.S.C. § 1881a(b)(1). The Attorney
>>>>>>>>> General and DNI must submit to the FISC an application for an order
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ("mass
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> acquisition order") for the surveillance either before their joint
>>>>>>>>> authorization or within seven days thereof. The FAA sets out a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> procedure by
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> which the Attorney General and DNI must obtain certification from
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FISC for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> their program, which includes an assurance that the surveillance is
>>>>>>>>> designed to limit surveillance to persons located outside of the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> United
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> States. However, the FAA does not require the government to identify
>>>>>>>>> targets of surveillance, and the FISC does not consider
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> individualized
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> probable cause determinations or supervise the program.
>>>>>>>>> (from: http://epic.org/amicus/fisa/**clapper/<http://epic.org/amicus/fisa/clapper/>
>>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   While I am happy to provide feedback, I'm in no way authorized to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sign
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> on to this letter on behalf of the ACLU.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Nadim Kobeissi<nadim at nadim.cc>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Dear Privacy Advocates and Internet Freedom Activists,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   I call on you to review the following draft for our Open Letter
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> Skype and present your name or the name of your organization as
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> signatories:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    http://www.skypeopenletter.**com/draft/<http://www.skypeopenletter.com/draft/>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   The letter will be released soon. Feedback is also welcome.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>>   NK
>>>>>>>>>>
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