[liberationtech] Skype Open Letter: CALL FOR SIGNATORIES

Nadim Kobeissi nadim at nadim.cc
Mon Jan 21 13:31:36 PST 2013 

Everyone has been added, thank you!


NK


On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Fran Parker <lilbambi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Can you add Fran Parker as an individual please.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
>
>> Added. Thank you!
>>
>>
>> NK
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Martin Johnson<greatfire at greatfire.**
>> org <greatfire at greatfire.org>>wrote:
>>
>>  GreatFire.org would like to sign. Thanks very much for doing this.
>>>
>>> Martin Johnson
>>> Founder
>>> https://GreatFire.org - Monitoring Online Censorship In China.
>>> https://FreeWeibo.com - Uncensored, Anonymous Sina Weibo Search.
>>> https://Unblock.cn.com - We Can Unblock Your Website In China.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Nadim Kobeissi<nadim at nadim.cc>  wrote:
>>>
>>>  Amazing :)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your support, everyone!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> NK
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Petter Ericson<pettter at acc.umu.se>**
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Hi!
>>>>>
>>>>> Good work :)
>>>>>
>>>>> First: some nitpicking: third-parties in the second paragraph should
>>>>> probably lose the hyphen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Second: I would be very happy to see a Telecomix signature on this
>>>>> letter :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>
>>>>> /P
>>>>>
>>>>> On 18 January, 2013 - Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Okay everyone,
>>>>>> the *final draft* has been posted online, with the gracious
>>>>>>
>>>>> collaboration
>>>>>
>>>>>> of the EFF. Please take a look at it, make sure you want to keep your
>>>>>> signature there (or add it!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.skypeopenletter.**com/draft/<http://www.skypeopenletter.com/draft/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We'll be publishing next week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NK
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 4:29 AM, Grégoire Pouget<gregoire at rsf.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>   We'd like to see the final / rewritten version of the letter first
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> but Reporters
>>>>>
>>>>>> Without Borders<http://rsf.org>  would be happy to sign it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le 17/01/2013 08:01, Nadim Kobeissi a écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your expert advice, Chris. We're currently in the process
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>>> reworking the letter with assistance from the EFF and we'll take
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> what you
>>>>>
>>>>>> said into consideration.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:58 AM, Christopher Soghoian<
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> chris at soghoian.net>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You may want to consider rewriting your law enforcement/government
>>>>>>>> surveillance section:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As a result of the service being acquired by Microsoft in 2011, it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> may
>>>>>
>>>>>> now be required to comply with CALEA due to the company being
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> headquartered
>>>>>
>>>>>> in Redmond, Washington. Furthermore, as a US-based communication
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> provider,
>>>>>
>>>>>> Skype would therefore be required to comply with the secretive
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> practice of
>>>>>
>>>>>> National Security Letters.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   You don't articulate why being subject to CALEA is bad. Are the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>
>>>>>> signing the letter arguing that law enforcement should never have
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> access to
>>>>>
>>>>>> real-time intercepts of skype voice/video communications? If so,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> say that,
>>>>>
>>>>>> and why. If not, CALEA merely mandates access capabilities, it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>
>>>>>> specify under what situations the government can perform an
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> interception,
>>>>>
>>>>>>   Also, if you want to raise the issue of secretive surveillance
>>>>>>>> practices, NSLs wouldn't be at the top of my list (yes, they don't
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> require
>>>>>
>>>>>> a judge, but they can at best be used to obtain communications
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> metadata). I
>>>>>
>>>>>> would instead focus your criticism of the fact that US surveillance
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> law
>>>>>
>>>>>> does not sufficiently protect communications between two non-US
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> persons,
>>>>>
>>>>>> and in particular, the government can intercept such communications
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> without
>>>>>
>>>>>> even having to demonstrate probable cause to a judge. Specifically,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> non-US
>>>>>
>>>>>> persons have a real reason to fear FISA Amendments Act of 2008
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> section 702
>>>>>
>>>>>>   Section 702 of the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 ("FAA"), codified
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> as 50
>>>>>
>>>>>> U.S.C. 1181a, which allows the Attorney General and the Director of
>>>>>>>> National Intelligence ("DNI") to authorize jointly the targeting of
>>>>>>>> non-United States persons for the purposes of gathering
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> intelligence for a
>>>>>
>>>>>> period of up to one year. 50 U.S.C. 1881a(1). Section 702 contains
>>>>>>>> restrictions, including the requirement that the surveillance "may
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>
>>>>>> intentionally target any person known at the time of acquisition to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>
>>>>>> located in the United States." 50 U.S.C. § 1881a(b)(1). The Attorney
>>>>>>>> General and DNI must submit to the FISC an application for an order
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ("mass
>>>>>
>>>>>> acquisition order") for the surveillance either before their joint
>>>>>>>> authorization or within seven days thereof. The FAA sets out a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> procedure by
>>>>>
>>>>>> which the Attorney General and DNI must obtain certification from
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FISC for
>>>>>
>>>>>> their program, which includes an assurance that the surveillance is
>>>>>>>> designed to limit surveillance to persons located outside of the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> United
>>>>>
>>>>>> States. However, the FAA does not require the government to identify
>>>>>>>> targets of surveillance, and the FISC does not consider
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> individualized
>>>>>
>>>>>> probable cause determinations or supervise the program.
>>>>>>>> (from: http://epic.org/amicus/fisa/**clapper/<http://epic.org/amicus/fisa/clapper/>
>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   While I am happy to provide feedback, I'm in no way authorized to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sign
>>>>>
>>>>>> on to this letter on behalf of the ACLU.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Nadim Kobeissi<nadim at nadim.cc>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>    Dear Privacy Advocates and Internet Freedom Activists,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   I call on you to review the following draft for our Open Letter
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> Skype and present your name or the name of your organization as
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> signatories:
>>>>>
>>>>>>    http://www.skypeopenletter.**com/draft/<http://www.skypeopenletter.com/draft/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   The letter will be released soon. Feedback is also welcome.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>   NK
>>>>>>>>>
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