[liberationtech] Fwd: Avaaz in "grave danger" due to GMail spam filters

[Tom O]

Agree. If you refuse to reciprocate the goodwill, why should anyone bother.

Relationships are a two way street

On Tuesday, August 20, 2013, Jillian C. York wrote:

> Key paragraph:
>
> "So while I am told that you have norms about collaboration and
> engagement among you, I regret that we can't follow them. Hope you'll
> forgive us and judge us by the quality of our work over time. Good luck
> to you with yours."
>
> In a later phone call that I had with Ricken, he basically said that Avaaz
> "doesn't have time to engage" with its allies and the greater community. As
> a rule, I don't support any person or group that isn't interested in
> working together as a community.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 9:27 PM, staticsafe <me at staticsafe.ca<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'me at staticsafe.ca');>
> > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 08:36:48PM +0200, Jillian C. York wrote:
>> > Avaaz made it clear a year ago on this very mailing list that they have
>> no
>> > interest whatsoever in engaging with our community.
>> > --
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>> 'cvml', 'jillian at eff.org');>.
>> >
>> > US: +1-857-891-4244 | NL: +31-657086088
>> > site:  jilliancyork.com <http://jilliancyork.com/>* | *
>> > twitter: @jilliancyork* *
>> >
>> > "We must not be afraid of dreaming the seemingly impossible if we want
>> the
>> > seemingly impossible to become a reality" - *Vaclav Havel*
>>
>> I'm not sure if this is what you are referring to but I see an apology:
>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/pipermail/liberationtech/2012-May/003843.html
>>
>> Either way, more details are appreciated.
>> --
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> twitter: @jilliancyork* *
>
> "We must not be afraid of dreaming the seemingly impossible if we want the
> seemingly impossible to become a reality" - *Vaclav Havel*
>
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