[liberationtech] Secure, inexpensive hosting of activist sites

[Eugen Leitl]

On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 09:26:05PM -0400, micah wrote:

> Can't rely on them to be there for what exactly? 

Just being there and responsive for the entire duration
you need them. 
 
> Where is the liberatory technological element to recommending commercial

The liberatory technological element is to use distributed services
not linkable to a certain specific server or location. You're welcome.

> services when they are more than happy when the "shit hits it" to bend
> over backwards for law enforcement without bothering even questioning if

Have you ever heard of bullet proof hosting? Do you think that snowshoe
spammer and carder and malware hosters care a damn thing about the content 
they host?

> the request is even legal because that would cut into their profits?  I

Very simple: they do not care whether it's legal. Their business model
is that they don't care, as long as the account gets paid.

> have to say I agree with ilf, this is pretty depressing for this list.

You'll get used to it. I did.
 
> How can anyone in good conscience recommend to activists commercial
> services whose primary goal is to optimize for the bottom line? You

How can anyone engage in strawmen of such appalling quality?

> realize that when "the shit hits it" you can rely on them to not waste
> any of their money fighting for you. Not that it matters, because they
> are already deupitized data collection points for the police, building
> into their money-making schemes keeping as much logs as they possibily
> can to maximize profits from various advertising and surveillance
> efforts.
> 
> And really, Cloudflare? Comon. After their willingness to roll over on

What about Cloudflare? Can't recall mentioning them.

> the subpoena for Barret Brown and prentend that they were the internet's
> saviors by making up that whole thing about how they saved the internet
> from the biggest DDOS ever? 
>  
> This is an amazing statement: "free is distinctly unaffordable" -- what
> meaning of "free" are you using here?  There are other things that I'd

Free, as in free beer. 

> pay *more* money for if it meant the kind of free that I'm thinking of
> was in play... But this is 'liberationtech', right? Is the only thing
> you are concerned about is being liberated from your money when doing
> tech things?
> 
> The cognitive dissonance here is deafening.

How would you know?