[liberationtech] Not another Haystack right?

Tue Nov 29 07:46:59 PST 2011

Hi Collin,

Redistribution of the JVM doesn't violate copyright - I'm not sure about
sanctions, though. The relevant document is here:

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/jre-7-readme-430162.html

Cheers,
Michael

On 29/11/11 15:30, Collin Anderson wrote:
> Michael,
> 
> Do you have permission to redistribute JVM packages? Otherwise, it would
> seem to be a violation of copyright and sanctions (were any operational
> elements in the US).
> 
> What troubles me is the manner this discussion was started. Certainly,
> we should express deep skepticism toward any tool that is released, but
> Yosem, your title was quite curtly accusatory and without any support!
> 
> Collin
> 
> -- 
> *Collin David Anderson*
> averysmallbird.com <http://averysmallbird.com/> | @cda | Washington, D.C.
> 
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Michael Rogers wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jillian,
>>
>> Thanks for raising this point. Do you know whether US export controls
>> prevent a third party in a third country from redistributing Java
>> (subject to copyright restrictions) to users in Syria?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Michael
>>
>> On 29/11/11 14:53, Jillian C. York wrote:
>>> I'd also remember that Syrians (and perhaps others) are barred by US
>>> export controls from downloading Java.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:39 AM, Michael Rogers <m-- at gmx.com
>>> <mailto:m-- at gmx.com>
>>> <mailto:m-- at gmx.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good call, I'll make sure we show a warning at startup if the JVM's out
>>> of date.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> On 29/11/11 14:37, Fran Parker wrote:
>>> > Hi Michael,
>>> >
>>> > Then maybe you could recommend that people upgrade their Java to the
>>> > latest stable version if they plan to use the product before it
>>> goes to
>>> > C or C++ version?
>>> >
>>> > I wouldn't dream of running any Java based program without using the
>>> > latest stable (presumably safer) version. I have seen many folks still
>>> > running *cringe* version Update 5.x!
>>> >
>>> > Especially when you are talking about people's lives...
>>> >
>>> > Maybe something to think about anyway...
>>> >
>>> > Fran
>>> >
>>> > On 11/29/11 9:31 AM, Michael Rogers wrote:
>>> >> Hi Fran,
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks for the feedback.
>>> >>
>>> >> The plan is to bundle a JVM for Windows, where Java isn't
>>> available by
>>> >> default, and rely on the default JVM for Mac and Android.
>>> >>
>>> >> New JVMs are supposed to be backward compatible with old
>>> applications,
>>> >> so our code should run on any JVM that supports Java 1.5 or later.
>>> >>
>>> >> We've also discussed porting the code to C or C++, but that won't
>>> happen
>>> >> until the design stabilises.
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >> Michael
>>> >>
>>> >> On 29/11/11 14:06, Fran Parker wrote:
>>> >>> Interesting. My only concern is that it's built on Java which
>>> has many
>>> >>> vulnerabilities if a person is using an older version. And newer
>>> >>> versions can break the program entirely. Or am I missing something?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Fran
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 11/29/11 7:41 AM, Yosem Companys wrote:
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