[liberationtech] Fwd: Free and Fair Elections in Egypt
Yosem Companys
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Sun Feb 13 20:20:28 PST 2011
Sheila seems to be having trouble posting to the list, so I'm doing it on
her behalf. Please direct all comments to her email address below.
I apologize for the inconvenience,
Yosem
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From: Sheila Parks <sheilaruthparks at comcast.net>
Date: Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Free and Fair Elections in Egypt
To: jstyre at eff.org, Rebecca MacKinnon <rebecca.mackinnon at gmail.com>, Steve
Weis <steveweis at gmail.com>
Cc: "M[P" <liberationtech at lists.stanford.edu>
How very awful
Of course, the governments in any country have a lot at stake
With the e-voting machines they can talk about free and fair elections, as
the president et al do here in the US, and then rig then
It is beyond me how the people allow it and don't get it, as here in the US
Of course, here, the corporate media never publish anything about the fraud
and error of the e-voting machines.
Sheila
At 07:08 PM 2/13/2011, James S. Tyre wrote:
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I’ve no idea what might be proposed for Egypt. I do know, however, that
importing Indian EVMs (and all their problems) is being considered by
Pakistan, Nepal and Russia.
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*On Behalf Of *Rebecca MacKinnon
*Sent:* Sunday, February 13, 2011 1:25 PM
*To:* Steve Weis
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*Subject:* Re: [liberationtech] Free and Fair Elections in Egypt
Important points.
Still, it's not a bad idea for people trying to put together free and fair
elections for the first time to be mindful - along with all of those core
prerequisites you mention - of the problems emerging around the world with
electronic voting machines.
See for example this "Security Analysis of India’s Electronic Voting
Machines" by a multi-national team of computer scientists:
http://www.cse.umich.edu/~jhalderm/pub/papers/evm-ccs10.pdf
In the event (which may be unlikely) that the use of electronic voting
machines is seriously proposed or considered in Egypt, these problems are
certainly an excellent reason to stick with paper ballots.
On Feb 13, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Steve Weis wrote:
Egypt used hand-counted paper ballots in 2010 [1]. That didn't prevent voter
intimidation or ballot stuffing, like what's apparently shown in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4HBUKkXyIc
The specific mechanism of how the votes are cast is largely irrelevant
without vote enfranchisement, safe voting locations, media freedoms,
electoral oversight, and the ability to audit the results. Focusing on
whether someone votes with a pen and paper, or a touchscreen is missing the
bigger picture.
[1] - "Furor Grows Over Egypt's Election Results",
http://www.npr.org/2010/11/30/131704396/calls-grow-to-set-aside-egypt-s-election-results
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Sheila Parks < sheilaruthparks at comcast.net>
wrote:
My blood runs cold every time I hear that, wondering if, no WHEN the US
privatized, riggable electronic voting machine industry will try to sell
their poisons to Egypt.
The youth and geeks who organized and those millions of leaders who took
part in Revolution know better than that, I tell myself
I would really appreciate comments from you who are involved in democracy
and technology.
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