[liberationtech] On Privacy, Trending Today

[Paola Di Maio]

Thank you Marc

the point you bring up is a bit of dilemma

Privacy for me is about data that I dont want to be public, but does not
apply to
my opinions when I air them in public, that I dont want to be covered by
privacy
although yes, I do not want others to manipulate and misrepresent what I
writea or say
but thats another story

Someone will always try to hijack and damage others because they were
brought up
in a society that functions by hijacking and hurting others, your loss my
win kind of thinking
has motivated the evolution of societies for thousands of years..

It does not matter though if the messages are archived or not, accessible
or not, as far
as the lynching is concerned, they ll find a way to lynch you even if the
messages are not archived

In fact, they ll fabricate private messages that cannot be verified and
hire people to lie about you just to mob you in other ways

In that sense, having messages in the open for public scrutiny means that
anyone could verify what
was said, and expose the intentional misrepresentation de-contextualization
and the manipulation for the deliberate  purpose of putting the messenger
in a bad light.

I am all for sticking to the right to say what we have to say, and learning
how to deal with deliberate
targeting of the folks who say what  they have to say. We need to continue
to build civil society. and pay the price for doing it

To instil fear and to injure who are not afraid of free speech is
ultimately what they want, we need to learn and teach civilization. Long
way to go, it seems


PDM

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 7:34 AM Marc Sunet <msunet at shellblade.net> wrote:

> It's a good one, here is a related one that talks about the social effects:
>
> https://www.socialcooling.com/
>
> To me, part of the problem is that online communications are constantly
> creating a permanent record, like Snowden puts it. This list, for example,
> should really be regarded as private, a conversation with the liberation
> folks. But it's actually public by virtue of having an eternal record of
> everything said here made available on a discoverable part the Web. Any
> joke, criticism or statement can then be taken out of context and
> copy-pasted somewhere else; in the worst case, this results in a public
> lynching of the author. The lack of privacy then leads to a chilling
> effect, to self-censorship; every word must be carefully measured, even the
> email address you send this from and other metadata must be considered.
>
> On the other hand, if the mailing list record just self-destructed after a
> while (Signal does this with messages), then the problem would not be as
> bad. Copy-pasting something out of context and lynching the author would
> now have to be a targeted attack as opposed to something you can do
> retroactively any day and any time. Most people would not bother unless you
> were a high-profile target. The same arguments Snowden makes about the NSA
> collecting a permanent record to then retroactively find crime as opposed
> to looking for evidence for an existing investigation apply to online
> social communication just as well.
>
> There is of course value in making the list publicly available to build
> community, provide a learning resource and so on, so automated
> self-destruction seems like a good balance and default to me. Things become
> semi-private, or semi-public; words are written on sand instead of stone.
> On 10/2/20 8:57 AM, Yosem Companys wrote:
>
> https://inre.me/why-privacy-is-the-most-important-concept-of-our-time/
>
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