[liberationtech] Interesting things

[Paola Di Maio]

Hi Rand
Yes,  i was defnitely generalizing -  the post I responded to was also kind
in that tone

What I intended is not like  the example you gave in California , What I
intend is
that democratically elected governments should be representative of the
people, represent  and protect the citizen's interests,but the are not.
I have come to this realization in recent years only, that what is on paper
(constitution, legal statutes etc) does not correspond to truth at all.
For examples I have no objections if some government want to know my
address or ID, because I have nothing to hide. But when the government
instigates the mob
to  harras me  so that I then have no other choice than to seek the help of
the government (or the law, or a legal foundation, or the cops) to defend
myself, is perverse and surely must be illegal? It is also hard to prove in
court, that the gangsters who have been robbing me were informed about 'my
every move; by
the same regime to whom I gave my whereabouts for legal reason.

Governments obtain information 'legally'then give it to gangsters to get
dirty business done. so that they can then show that they can intervene and
rectify the problem. I would not have believed it possible, but I worked on
it.
People intercept 'my every move to counter it' is not legal.
But their excuse for surveillance is that they want to protect the citizen.
In the reality
they want to mob the citizen. That is the absurd reality, and not
legitimate way government  agencies should operate.

Regarding the cryptoanarchy, I have definitely seen a lot of
cryptoanarchists
being puppets to the secret state. I cant make names because they would
definitely be at my door. since they know my every move. :-)
By masses I intended the scores of people who are scouted by movements by
leveraging some utopic ideals and then manipulated to commit gangster acts
under the protection of the deviated 'democratic institution'

Sorry this is a bit of a vague rant, I just wanted to comment on the fact
that there is nothing wrong in being open about one's whereabouts. the
problem is how someone perverse who have access to it use it for a purpose
different and opposite from the purpose the data is shared.  And that
cryptoanarchy maybe not be anarchy after all

P

On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 1:06 AM Rand Strauss <Rand at peoplecount.org> wrote:

> 1. democratically elected governments, and law enforcement agencies, as
> legitimate entiteis, *should  *protect citizens freedoms
> and should protect them from surveillance. but they don’t.
>
>
> So you say.  But many people haven’t said so yet, through their
> governments.  Yes, some call for this, but not enough to make new laws in
> some countries.
>
> instead, government and law enforcement agencies operate outside the law,
> and work against legitimacy itself.
>
>
> This is a generalization and as such, inaccurate.  Governments here in
> California sell information to help their budgets.  It’s distasteful, but
> not yet against the law.
>
> 2.  cryptoanarchy is a device to fool the younger generations and enrol
> them into crypto culture then manipulate them. I am afraid secret states
> and deviated governments are behind, and part of, the cryptomovement, that
> s another way to steer the masses. together with disinformation.
> manipulation of facts and other tacticts
>
>
> This is interesting, but just an assertion, and another generalization.
> How are some being manipulated? And what are the stats- how many of the
> "masses" are being enrolled in the cryptomovement?  It sounds like you’re
> saying using Brave means one is being manipulated.  How so?
>
> -r
>
> Now burn me :-)
>
> PDM
>
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 9:56 AM grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > Be Brave, your browser won't explode.
>>
>> > Am also curious as to why Cloudflare hates Tor.
>>
>> Search CF CIA op, haters need you and the masses on clearnet so
>> they can surveil, predict, see, and counter your every move in realtime,
>> not least of which being your political activism vote. Better to wake up,
>> rise, build and route around, thus dispense with them all forevermore.
>>
>> Governments hate cryptoanarchy [tor etc], not because it's a threat
>> to you, but because it's a threat to them. To them, blocking tor,
>> crypto[currency], comms tech, free speech, etc is just a survival
>> self-defense move against the evolution of world of now connected
>> peoples waking they don't need them anymore to get good things done.
>>
>> Why beg them to pocket half of what they steal from you for roads, why
>> advocate
>> they digital spy store sell your gps travels odometer rfid facial
>> register pay scheme...
>> when you can now already today anon smash that cryptocoin donate
>> crowdfund button on the QR code posted every kilometer by the local
>> communities and or private maintainers. It's that simple, that freedom.
>>
>> Wake up. Build Braver. Educate not to create/follow old fake
>> authority, not to "vote"
>> yourselves politik whim force demand over free peoples who have done
>> nothing,
>> as that struct will always be abused... but on personal
>> responsibility, non-agression,
>> freedom respecting interactions importance coming and building together,
>> charity, and more.
>>
>> Liberating beyond the limits of continually repeating the fail of
>> legacy structures,
>> into actual freedom, requires Bravery, indeed. You have it, find it
>> within, and use it.
>>
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