[liberationtech] VPN now illegal in China

[pacificboy]

Brain,
Not sure, but if we dig more the smoking gun will be shown.

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On Jan 24, 2013, at 3:27 PM, Brian Conley <brianc at smallworldnews.tv> wrote:

> Aha interesting so the speculation is that GFW tech is being exported to Cuba Zimbabwe and Belarus? What is the evidence??
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> On Jan 23, 2013 11:25 PM, "pacificboy" <pacificboy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Brian
> sorry for the poor typo just typing fast on iphone will have errors. i am latino but born in the States. To answer you question according to reporters without borders, "suspects that regimes such as Cuba, Zimbabwe and Belarus have obtained surveillance technology from the People's Republic of China" from report entitled "Going online in Cuba: Internet under surveillance dated 2006.
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> On Jan 24, 2013, at 3:13 PM, Brian Conley <brianc at smallworldnews.tv> wrote:
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>> Ben says "imports" Ben do you mean china gets their tech from other countries (imports) or sends their tech TO other countries (exports)
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>> B
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>> PS if another language is easier for you please use it! Si un otra lengua yes mejor para tu, por favor usarlo! Lo siento mi espanol es muy mal, pero por que su nombre esta arroyo yo creo habla espanol.
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>> On Jan 23, 2013 10:17 PM, "pacificboy" <pacificboy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> In the news it has been mentioned and recently the authorizes came to my friends work place and order them to stop using vpn at their offices. Also if you google on you tube vpn illegal in china you see videos discussing this issue. example illegal vpn china weekly hagout dated one month ago by fons tuinstra or chinese security cracks down on VPN.
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>> On Jan 24, 2013, at 1:40 PM, "Eric S Johnson" <crates at oneotaslopes.org> wrote:
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>>> Bert raises an interesting question―where cybercensorship technology comes from.
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>>> We know Huawei and/or ZTE make routers and switches to compete with Cisco, and almost by definition, that’s the level on which cybercensorship takes place. But I know of no cases where “the Chinese have exported the Great Firewall.” I’ve been to almost all of the major cybercensoring countries of the world, and their systems all seem to differ substantially enough from the Chinese one (and/or we have some information about how their cybercensorship works and/or where it came from). Not to mention that building a cybercensorship system isn’t really terribly complicated.
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>>>                Does anyone have any evidence that “the Chinese are exporting the [hardware or software behind the] GFW” (beyond hearsay, supposition, unfounded allegations, etc.)? (I’m not talking about the reports of planned re-export of US communications equipment to IR.)
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>>> Cybersurveillance … that’s a different ball (or even kettle) of wax. (For instance, we do have a lot of evidence of the export of Russian cybersurveillance systems.)
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>>> Thoughts?
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>>> Best,
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>>> Eric
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>>> PGP
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>>> From: liberationtech-bounces at lists.stanford.edu [mailto:liberationtech-bounces at lists.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Bert Arroyo
>>> Sent: 24 January 2013 12.00
>>> To: liberationtech at lists.stanford.edu
>>> Subject: [liberationtech] VPN now illegal in China
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>>> Most of the discussion ion the Libtech forum, if I may states, forgot one important thing, China imports its tech to other countries that censor their citizen by using Chinese censorship software and their infamous Great Firewall.
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