[liberationtech] Skype Open Letter: CALL FOR SIGNATORIES

Fri Jan 18 23:24:58 PST 2013

Please add The Public Sphere Project.

I'll be happy to sign also: Douglas Schuler

good work!

-- Doug

On Jan 18, 2013, at 4:56 PM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:

> Amazing :)
> 
> Thanks for your support, everyone!
> 
> 
> NK
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Petter Ericson <pettter at acc.umu.se> wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Good work :)
> 
> First: some nitpicking: third-parties in the second paragraph should
> probably lose the hyphen.
> 
> Second: I would be very happy to see a Telecomix signature on this
> letter :)
> 
> Best regards
> 
> /P
> 
> On 18 January, 2013 - Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
> 
> > Okay everyone,
> > the *final draft* has been posted online, with the gracious collaboration
> > of the EFF. Please take a look at it, make sure you want to keep your
> > signature there (or add it!)
> >
> > http://www.skypeopenletter.com/draft/
> >
> > We'll be publishing next week.
> >
> >
> > NK
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 4:29 AM, Grégoire Pouget <gregoire at rsf.org> wrote:
> >
> > >  We'd like to see the final / rewritten version of the letter first but Reporters
> > > Without Borders <http://rsf.org> would be happy to sign it.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > >
> > > Le 17/01/2013 08:01, Nadim Kobeissi a écrit :
> > >
> > > Thanks for your expert advice, Chris. We're currently in the process of
> > > reworking the letter with assistance from the EFF and we'll take what you
> > > said into consideration.
> > >
> > >
> > > NK
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:58 AM, Christopher Soghoian <chris at soghoian.net>wrote:
> > >
> > >> You may want to consider rewriting your law enforcement/government
> > >> surveillance section:
> > >>
> > >> As a result of the service being acquired by Microsoft in 2011, it may
> > >> now be required to comply with CALEA due to the company being headquartered
> > >> in Redmond, Washington. Furthermore, as a US-based communication provider,
> > >> Skype would therefore be required to comply with the secretive practice of
> > >> National Security Letters.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  You don't articulate why being subject to CALEA is bad. Are the people
> > >> signing the letter arguing that law enforcement should never have access to
> > >> real-time intercepts of skype voice/video communications? If so, say that,
> > >> and why. If not, CALEA merely mandates access capabilities, it doesn't
> > >> specify under what situations the government can perform an interception,
> > >>
> > >>  Also, if you want to raise the issue of secretive surveillance
> > >> practices, NSLs wouldn't be at the top of my list (yes, they don't require
> > >> a judge, but they can at best be used to obtain communications metadata). I
> > >> would instead focus your criticism of the fact that US surveillance law
> > >> does not sufficiently protect communications between two non-US persons,
> > >> and in particular, the government can intercept such communications without
> > >> even having to demonstrate probable cause to a judge. Specifically, non-US
> > >> persons have a real reason to fear FISA Amendments Act of 2008 section 702
> > >>
> > >>  Section 702 of the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 ("FAA"), codified as 50
> > >> U.S.C. 1181a, which allows the Attorney General and the Director of
> > >> National Intelligence ("DNI") to authorize jointly the targeting of
> > >> non-United States persons for the purposes of gathering intelligence for a
> > >> period of up to one year. 50 U.S.C. 1881a(1). Section 702 contains
> > >> restrictions, including the requirement that the surveillance "may not
> > >> intentionally target any person known at the time of acquisition to be
> > >> located in the United States." 50 U.S.C. § 1881a(b)(1). The Attorney
> > >> General and DNI must submit to the FISC an application for an order ("mass
> > >> acquisition order") for the surveillance either before their joint
> > >> authorization or within seven days thereof. The FAA sets out a procedure by
> > >> which the Attorney General and DNI must obtain certification from FISC for
> > >> their program, which includes an assurance that the surveillance is
> > >> designed to limit surveillance to persons located outside of the United
> > >> States. However, the FAA does not require the government to identify
> > >> targets of surveillance, and the FISC does not consider individualized
> > >> probable cause determinations or supervise the program.
> > >> (from: http://epic.org/amicus/fisa/clapper/)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  While I am happy to provide feedback, I'm in no way authorized to sign
> > >> on to this letter on behalf of the ACLU.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Nadim Kobeissi <nadim at nadim.cc> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>  Dear Privacy Advocates and Internet Freedom Activists,
> > >>>
> > >>>  I call on you to review the following draft for our Open Letter to
> > >>> Skype and present your name or the name of your organization as signatories:
> > >>>
> > >>>  http://www.skypeopenletter.com/draft/
> > >>>
> > >>>  The letter will be released soon. Feedback is also welcome.
> > >>>
> > >>>  Thank you,
> > >>>  NK
> > >>>
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