[liberationtech] Why Bluecoat?

Sat Apr 6 10:59:27 PDT 2013

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It was an honest question Jillian. No ulterior motive. 

I would argue there is ample evidence to support it for Cisco, Redback, Ericsson, Siemens, NSN, F5, Apache Squid....the list goes on.

I have read stories from European media (I can't give you a list right now, but if you'd like I can find) which use the Bluecoat example. 

Maybe thats actually a good project - to track the media coverage of network hardware vendors in connection with surveillance and censorship stories through out the world.

If this has brought up a previous thorny conversation that was not my intention. It was a question I had been thinking about.

Is it sufficient logic? Personally, not really but I understand the point of view now.

thanks,
Bernard

On 6 Apr 2013, at 15:41, Jillian C. York wrote:

> Honestly?  Because there is ample evidence to support it at the moment.  I would also suggest that it's only "singled out" in the US - in Europe, the focus right now is on Gamma (FinFisher) and Amesys, largely.  
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> Activists have been accused in the past of "singling out" Cisco as well.  Attention has now turned to Bluecoat.  When there is evidence of another company's misdeeds, attention will surely turn there.
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> Is that sufficient logic for you?
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> On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb <ei8fdb at ei8fdb.org> wrote:
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> Hi,
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> I've been thinking about this for a while, and can't find a logical reason. Possibly I'm not thinking about it hard enough.
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> I'm curious as to why Bluecoat seem to be singled out for all this attention regarding use in countries where the governments are "not nice"? Is it because they are a public, well known company? A lot the same stories repeat the same stories of Bluecoat equipment being used in the same oppressive regimes.
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> As someone who worked in ISP level infrastructure for a while (thankfully no longer), I've seen the equipment used "for neutral uses" - network management, etc.
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> However, there are a lot more sinister and disgusting companies who's products *sole-purpose* is surveillance and censorship, and sole market is those oppressive countries we talk about on this list.
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> My point of view is not to defend Bluecoat, quite the opposite, but there are nastier and uglier fish out there.
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> Can anyone set me right, or give an opinion? On or off list is fine.
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> thanks,
> Bernard
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