[liberationtech] issilentcircleopensourceyet.com
Greg Norcie
greg at norcie.com
Tue Nov 6 11:11:47 PST 2012
Nadim,
You are correct - the website (nor the whois) mention you. But your post
on this mailing list does.
You seem like a very intelligent guy - if you had intended this to be an
anonymous critique, I doubt you'd have used your real name to post the
link :)
--
Greg Norcie (greg at norcie.com)
GPG key: 0x1B873635
On 11/6/12 2:06 PM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
> Greg,
> The website does not mention me at all, it's purely meant as a complaint
> against Silent Circle's policy. I've already written a lengthy post
> regarding Silent Circle (http://log.nadim.cc/?p=89) and yet have
> received no reply.
>
>
> NK
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Greg Norcie <greg at norcie.com
> <mailto:greg at norcie.com>> wrote:
>
> Nadim
>
> I understand your position, but actions like this website won't help
> your cause.
>
> Can you understand how actions like setting up this web site might be
> viewed as a way to call attention to oneself, rather than champion the
> (respectable) ideals of the open source movement?
> --
> Greg Norcie (greg at norcie.com <mailto:greg at norcie.com>)
> GPG key: 0x1B873635
>
> On 11/6/12 1:53 PM, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
> > Ali,
> > The issue is trust. Security software verifiability should not have to
> > depend on Silent Circle (or who they hire to audit, for example
> Veracode.)
> >
> >
> > NK
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Ali-Reza Anghaie
> <ali at packetknife.com <mailto:ali at packetknife.com>
> > <mailto:ali at packetknife.com <mailto:ali at packetknife.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > Nobody would dispute that - that's not quite the same thing as
> FOSS
> > default positions or some of the other criticisms.
> >
> > For example, I'd contend a paid Veracode audit would in all
> > likelihood be better than any typical FOSS audit. Had they
> done that
> > (heck, they might have but I doubt it) and still announced the
> > intent of opening the codebase - I wager that would not have
> stopped
> > the criticism.
> >
> > It appears to be a deep-seeded cultural divide more than any
> of the
> > other factors combined.
> >
> > -Al
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Yosem Companys
> > <companys at stanford.edu <mailto:companys at stanford.edu>
> <mailto:companys at stanford.edu <mailto:companys at stanford.edu>>> wrote:
> >
> > Security audits are always important, especially when people's
> > lives are at risk.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Nadim Kobeissi
> <nadim at nadim.cc
> > <mailto:nadim at nadim.cc <mailto:nadim at nadim.cc>>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ali,
> > There is no "agenda," and there needn't be one if you
> are to
> > critique security software. No need to be so aggressive.
> > My qualms against Silent Circle are detailed
> > here: http://log.nadim.cc/?p=89
> >
> >
> > NK
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Ali-Reza Anghaie
> > <ali at packetknife.com <mailto:ali at packetknife.com>
> <mailto:ali at packetknife.com <mailto:ali at packetknife.com>>> wrote:
> >
> > Seriously - what's your agenda?
> >
> > Where are the domains for the other tens of providers
> > who charge arms and legs based on closed protocols
> even?
> >
> > What's the nit with Silent Circle specifically?
> Because
> > they're accessible? Because it's easier to use?
> Because
> > the founders have good track records of standing up to
> > Government too?
> >
> > Being absolutist about everything isn't helping anyone
> > who ~needs~ it - it's a privilege of the "haves"
> that we
> > can have these conversations over and over again.
> >
> > Shouldn't we have taken the "fight" to carriers, Apple
> > iOS T&Cs, etc. harder and longer ago? And why do
> we keep
> > expecting private entities to fight our Government
> > battles for us? It's a losing proposition and
> increases
> > the costs-per-individual to untenable levels when
> we mix
> > absolutely all their enterprise with civil liberty
> issues.
> >
> > There has got to be a better way than this ridiculous
> > trolling and bickering. Someone? Anyone?
> >
> > Again, seriously, what's the agenda against Silent
> > Circle specifically?
> >
> > -Ali
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Nadim Kobeissi
> > <nadim at nadim.cc <mailto:nadim at nadim.cc
> <mailto:nadim at nadim.cc>>> wrote:
> >
> > http://issilentcircleopensourceyet.com/
> >
> > NK
> >
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