[liberationtech] Independent UK Critic of NBC has Twitter account suspended after network complains

Tue Jul 31 13:46:19 PDT 2012

Bernard,

1. Not reading a post and then pontificating on assumptions is pretty lame.

2. EFF Legal is not on this, because Twitter is well within their legal
rights to suspend a user for any reason.  While I think that sucks, it is,
in fact, the truth.

3. I very much hope that Twitter either rephrases their rules or starts
investigating claims such as this in the future.  I also firmly believe
that they need an appeals/escalation process for situations like this.

Best,
Jillian

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb
<ei8fdb at ei8fdb.org>wrote:

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> Hi Jillian,
>
> Thanks for explaining the details. Pardon my language but...FFS. This is
> disgraceful.
>
> Adams used publicly available information like this:
> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/gary-zenkel/3/569/126 and Twitter closed his
> account?
>
> In which case, if I were Adams, I would release my legal attack hounds,
> and sue Twitter under what ever legislation they could.  Anyone from the
> EFF Legal want to comment?
>
> That is disgraceful. Another example of why I believe Twitters
> self-censorship "internal struggle" earlier this year was an easy out for
> them.
>
> I hope Adams doesn't take the usual "we're sorry" excuse thats trotted out.
>
> Bernard
>
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:13, Jillian C. York wrote:
>
> > Bernard,
> >
> > Twitter's explanation was not that the statement was defamatory, but
> that Adams had posted private information.  The email address he posted,
> however, is not private: it is available on NBC.com.  That's the entire
> case.
> >
> > -Jillian
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb <
> ei8fdb at ei8fdb.org> wrote:
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> > (Slightly devil's advocate/contrarian POV)
> >
> > Interesting story, and Adams probably has a case but it never ceases to
> amaze me when people disconnect their "real world" brains from their
> "Internet" brains.
> >
> > I would be the first person to complain if someone's free-speech was
> taken away, however, if Adams has said anything defamatory in his Twitter
> stream, then he is still bound by "real world" laws.
> >
> > Just because I say something defamatory or libellous about person X on
> the Internet, doesn't mean that *IF* it's found that a "real-world" legal
> process cannot be executed.
> >
> > Most people using the Internet may not understand that, but I would have
> expected journalists to understand it.
> >
> > Is it illegal to suspend someones services for naming an executive of a
> media company for doing XYZ in the USA? I have no idea.
> >
> > If it is illegal, then people need to speak out against a ridiculously
> brain-dead law.
> >
> > If it is not illegal, people need to complain to Twitter for freedom of
> speech. Twitter need to rewind their equally brain-dead actions and
> apologise to the guy.
> >
> > Now, if he has said nothing "illegal" on Twitter, then IMHO, fire up the
> legal drones Guy. This I unfortunately have direct experience of. At this
> point it becomes (certainly in parts of Europe) a case of "who's got the
> bigger legal team".
> >
> > (My reasoning comes from Bruce Schneier's argument on laws specific to
> "cybercrimes". To paraphrase "Prosecution can be difficult in cyberspace.
> On one hand the crimes are the same.....The laws against certain practices,
> complete with criminal justice infrastructure to enforce them, are already
> in place....Fraud is fraud, whether it takes place over the US mail or the
> Internet.")
> >
> >
> > On 31 Jul 2012, at 00:17, David Johnson wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> http://sports.yahoo.com/news/olympics--critic-of-nbc-has-twitter-account-suspended-after-network-complains.html
> > >
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