[liberationtech] Jacob Appelbaum's 29C3 keynote

[Bishop Zareh]

Wow. It's nice to see some validation of things I have been saying privately, but afraid to admit publicly.

I seen this meme around a few times in the past ten years, and I tend to like it. Despite being a downer-trip, it can motivate activists.

"We have Lost the War". The 'war' is not a metaphorical one. There have been casualties. It is important. 'We' are a majestic plural, a plurality of majesty, encompassing. And 'Lost' is not reversible. The time has past and our best attempts were not enough.

I also really enjoyed gonggri's follow up blog post:  "We are all German now", http://rop.gonggri.jp/?p=66
as if to say, someday we will all feel the guilt of our unavoidable culpability in this societal shift. 

My response would be "The war is over? finally! We may have lost something special, but maybe now we can get back to some positive envisioning of the future. Those seem to have disappeared when Bush took office. This apocalypse thread is running a bit bare."

My .02, Bishop Z


On Dec 30, 2012, at 3:31 PM, Gregory Foster wrote:

> On 12/28/2012 05:10 AM, Gregory Foster wrote:
>> YouTube (Dec 27) - "Jacob Appelbaum 29C3 Keynote: Not My Department":
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNsePZj_Yks
>> 
>> Livestream recordings from the 29th Chaos Communication Congress
>> (Hamburg, Germany: Dec 27-30) are being published quickly. There's
>> something intriguing here for everyone:
>> https://www.youtube.com/user/cccen
>> https://events.ccc.de/congress/2012/wiki/Main_Page
>> 
>> HT the always well-informed @nigroeneveld
>> http://twitter.com/nigroeneveld/status/284507391628828672
> 
> 
> ~6:30 - Jacob asks for a show of hands of those who had seen Frank Rieger and Rop Gonggrijp's talks.  I couldn't count myself among those who had, so here's that information.
> 
> 22nd Chaos Communication Congress (Berlin: Dec 27-30, 2005) - "Frank Rieger and Rop Gonggrijp - We Lost The War":
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bulE9vErfg
> https://events.ccc.de/congress/2005/fahrplan/events/920.en.html
> http://events.ccc.de/congress/2005/static/t/r/a/Transcribe_We_Lost_The_War_1de1.html
> 
> Rop Gonggrijp
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rop_Gonggrijp
> 
> Here's Rop's blog posts on the themes of their talk:
> http://rop.gonggri.jp/?cat=3
> 
> Try this for a view into the Dutch hacking culture which Rop helped create:
> http://thesprawl.org/simstim/hippies-hell/
> 
> + lots of other very informative films to be found while navigating The Sprawl...
> 
> Frank Rieger "We lost the war. Welcome to the world of tomorrow."
> http://frank.geekheim.de/?page_id=128
> 
> First published in "die datenschleuder," which Rieger describes as "the scientific journal for data travelers, published quarterly by the Chaos Computer Club, Germany since 1984," volume 89 (2005); downloads weren't working when I tried, but a copy was available elsewhere:
> http://ds.ccc.de/download.html
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/72732917/die_datenschleuder-089-2005.pdf
> https://www.virustotal.com/file/0d6f75300c3cf6049e6ea8cd3c138100a0c9150a45661f1aca8e8840ff9d4087/analysis/1356901000/
> 
> ~
> 
> Following up, Rop Gonggrijp's 27C3 keynote (Berlin: Dec 27-30, 2010), "We come in Peace":
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALNovMk3fC8
> http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/events/4302.en.html
> http://rop.gonggri.jp/?p=438
> 
> 
> On 12/30/12 9:33 AM, Andreas Bader wrote:
>> By the way:
>> You have to say that Jakes Speech was more about "It IS our Department"..
> 
> Agreed.
> 
> gf
> 
> -- 
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