[liberationtech] Fwd: Re: Please welcome Cuba bloggers..

Sun Apr 17 16:21:45 PDT 2011

I forgot to do a reply all the first time

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>Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:17:02 -0400
>To: S E Anderson <blackeducator at mac.com>
>From: Sheila Parks <sheilaruthparks at comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Please welcome Cuba bloggers...
>
>Dear Sam
>
>thank you so much for this post
>
>I totally agree
>
>To add another point, there are more African Americans now in prison 
>in the USA, than there were Africans in prison in South Africa 
>during ALL of apartheid
>
>The above sentence and the following is from a paper I hope in its 
>final version and soon to be published, and I will post link here, 
>so please, do not distribute this, forward or repost
>
>"(See Michelle Alexander, The New Jim Crow. Mass Incarceration in 
>the Age of Colorblindness.  The New Press, New York and London, 
>2010.)   Ask any of the African American prisoners, languishing in 
>our prisons - mostly on non-violent drug charges - how democracy 
>works for them. Our prisons are now increasingly privatized, and 
>Dick Cheney one of those making so much money on them.  Have you 
>read yet Charles Ogletree, The Presumption of Guilt:  The Arrest of 
>Henry Louis Gates, Jr.Race, Class, and Crime in America.  Palgrave 
>MacMillan, 2010.)? Ogletree includes stories of 100 African American 
>men and shows how "race trumps class."
>
>I hope I will now get back to answering those posts re e-voting 
>machines that I did not answer- - actually, as I write that, I will 
>wait to send link to my paper and think it will answer most of those questions
>
>Bests,
>
>Sheila
>
>
>At 06:50 PM 4/17/2011, you wrote:
>>Folks,
>>
>>This word "repressive" gets bandied about in such away that it 
>>automatically excludes one of the world's most "repressive" societies: the US.
>>
>>There are more folk imprisoned in the US per capita than anywhere 
>>else on the planet. Black & Latino youth of any gender are 
>>systematically under educated, arrested and rendered jobless by 
>>policies and laws sanctioned by the US federal, state and local governments.
>>
>>The US media is dominated by an oligarchy that continues to gobble 
>>up radio, TV, cyberspace and all forms of print media successfully 
>>silencing millions of creative and oppositional voices.
>>
>>Need I mention the "repressive" healthcare-insurance industry that 
>>has defined good healthcare as a privilege for the rich?
>>
>>Need I mention the "repressive" environmental policies that let big 
>>corporations pollute at will while severely arresting and 
>>repressing the entire environmental justice movement?
>>
>>Need I mention the fact that this nation- the US -creates, then 
>>harbors some of the world's most notorious terrorists like Luis Posada?
>>
>>I can go on such as with the fact of some 125+ Black, Latino and 
>>Native American political prisoners languishing in maximum security 
>>prisons with longer prison sentences than any member of the Mafia 
>>ever had! Or that the Death Penalty is used consciously 
>>disproportionately against Black and Latino men than against white 
>>men... and that many on Death Row are and have been proven innocent.
>>
>>But... suffice it is to say that the "repressive" society of Cuba 
>>has a birthrate better than the vast majority of the world 
>>including Black America and Latinos. That this "repressive" society 
>>has a higher literacy and education rate than workingclass US. That 
>>this "repressive" society has more doctors per capita than the US 
>>AND trains more doctors for free than the total number of doctors 
>>graduating inside the US with an average of $150,000 debt! And over 
>>the past 50 years, Cuba has struggled rather successfully to begin 
>>the process of undoing Machismo and racism while the US has 
>>repressed a national discussion of Race and Gender issues so as to 
>>chart a more egalitarian human rights-based path forward.
>>
>>Please, before you apply this term "repressive" out to a nation 
>>like Cuba, at least study the society beyond what you may read in 
>>the NY Times or News week or see on CNN or ABC TV.
>>
>>Of course, Cuba has serious problems. What nation in the world of a 
>>global crisis of capital does not? The West's propaganda machinery 
>>wants you to see nothing but grinding repression unfolding in Cuba 
>>so that you don't see the achievements of this underdeveloped 
>>former US colony.
>>
>>No. Those achievements may inspire you to take another path than capitalism.
>>
>>In Struggle,
>>
>>Sam Anderson
>>
>>
>>A,ANAMNAMAMAMAMAAMAMAM
>>On Apr 17, 2011, at 6:22 PM, Larry Diamond wrote:
>>
>>>Robert,
>>>I share you concern, but it is not clear what we can do about it, 
>>>for the reasons Yosem explains.  I think there has been some 
>>>sensitivity, from time to time, about the need to take certain 
>>>discussions "offline" from the general listerve.  Any time someone 
>>>posts something that is specifically intimidating or 
>>>inappropriate, we can intervene and not allow it to go 
>>>forward.  But I don't know how to deal with the problem of 
>>>penetration by intelligence agencies except with more 
>>>transparency, including about the actions of these agencies.
>>>
>>>If you have any specific suggestions of people we can invite to 
>>>the listserve or encourage to become vocal, please do let us know.
>>>
>>>best,
>>>Larry
>>>
>>>Larry Diamond
>>>Senior Fellow, Hoover Institution & Freeman Spogli Institute
>>>Director, Center on Democracy, Development and the Rule of Law
>>>Peter E. Haas Faculty Co-Director, Haas Center for Public Service
>>>Stanford University
>>>Stanford, CA 94305-6055
>>>tel 650-724-6448  fax 650-723-1928
>>><mailto:ldiamond at stanford.edu>ldiamond at stanford.edu, 
>>>www.stanford.edu/~ldiamond
>>><http://cddrl.stanford.edu/>http://cddrl.stanford.edu/ and 
>>><http://studentaffairs.stanford.edu/haas>http://studentaffairs.stanford.edu/haas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----------
>>>From: "Yosem Companys" <<mailto:companys at stanford.edu>companys at stanford.edu>
>>>To: "Robert Guerra" <<mailto:lists at privaterra.org>lists at privaterra.org>
>>>Cc: "Liberation Technologies" 
>>><<mailto:liberationtech at lists.stanford.edu>liberationtech at lists.stanford.edu>
>>>Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 4:29:36 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Please welcome Cuba bloggers...
>>>
>>>Hi Robert,
>>>
>>>I appreciate your concern, but here are a few things to keep in mind:
>>>
>>>1) Liberationtech is a public list, so anyone can join.  To the 
>>>extent that agents of repressive regimes are interested in 
>>>"infiltrating" the list, they can already do so.
>>>2) Members may always choose to forward list emails to others. We 
>>>can't control that.
>>>3) Even if the list were private, the Majordomo mailman technology 
>>>isn't secure (see 
>>><http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/OLD/majordomo.CERT-Advisory>http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/OLD/majordomo.CERT-Advisory). 
>>>Thus, as is the case in most places online, we cannot provide 
>>>security assurances to list members.
>>>
>>>We already tell activists who choose to join the list to take the 
>>>necessary precautions they take elsewhere.  In fact, we even 
>>>encourage them to use anonymous (or fake) email addresses, if they 
>>>feel more comfortable doing so.
>>>
>>>Best,
>>>
>>>Yosem
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Robert Guerra 
>>><<mailto:lists at privaterra.org>lists at privaterra.org> wrote:
>>>I would ask that the list take into consideration research by 
>>>OpenNet, The Information Warfare Project, and Freedom House that 
>>>indicates that in many non-democratic regimes bloggers are paid to 
>>>represent and promote a pro-govt agenda and view.
>>>
>>>I would recommend that a variety of voices - both from inside and 
>>>outside the repressive countries be sought and invited to this 
>>>list. Otherwise, we'll have people on here who are well known govt 
>>>agents who might have threatened, intimidated and lead people to 
>>>have been arrested or worse.
>>>Having open discussion about "liberation technologies" with those 
>>>who support repression, well, will make it unsafe for many ...
>>>Something to keep in mind.
>>>regards
>>>Robert
>>>
>>>
>>>On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Yosem Companys 
>>><<mailto:companys at stanford.edu>companys at stanford.edu> wrote:
>>>Hi All,
>>>Some Cuba bloggers have joined our mailing list.  Please welcome 
>>>them.  Here's a post they want to share with you:
>>>
>>><http://www.yohandry.com/index.php/component/content/article/57-yohandry/284-decision-por-la-qcosaq>http://www.yohandry.com/index.php/component/content/article/57-yohandry/284-decision-por-la-qcosaq
>>>Best,
>>>
>>>Yosem
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>Sheila Parks, Ed.D.
>Founder
>Center for Hand-Counted Paper Ballots
>Belmont, MA 02478
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