[Festival] IFF's now on Slack!

[Jillian York]

Hey y'all,

So, I don't disagree with Holger's ideals, just to be clear. I had just
woken up and found his message--which notably lacked a suggestion for an
alternative and demanded responses from the hardworking organizers--to
be incredibly rude, which is why I reacted as I did.

I'm glad to see other suggestions, and would be happy to use an
alternative to Slack as well.

But also: If y'all aren't questioning the problems with US government
funding, then you really ought to expand your politics.

J


On 10/27/15 12:49 PM, Smari McCarthy wrote:
> I'm agreeing with Ximin and Holger. Slack is a closed-source,
> centralized IRC replacement, and not even a particularly good one
> (sorry). We can talk about US money and other stuff like that, and we
> should, but how about we do it over a decentralized communications
> platform that isn't directly anathema to a free an open Internet?
> 
> Rather than me continuing to rant about this, just take a moment to
> imagine that did so, about software licences and stuff like that. :-)
> 
> E-mail is pretty good.
> 
>   - Smári
> 
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Ximin Luo <infinity0 at pwned.gg
> <mailto:infinity0 at pwned.gg>> wrote:
> 
>     On 27/10/15 11:36, Jillian York wrote:
>     > On 10/27/15 11:27 AM, holger krekel wrote:
>     >> Is it a good idea to tie the "internet freedom" community to Slack
>     >> Technologies, a large for-profit highly venture-capital driven company
>     >> in silicon valley?  And to help their marketing by advising people
>     >> to shout "i want to be a slacker"?  Centralized easy-to-surveil
>     >> communication systems are the problem, not the solution in my view.
> 
>     Thank you holger for making this point. I was going to myself but
>     wondered if anyone gave a shit...
> 
>     > Is it a good idea for the "Internet freedom" community to take US
>     > government funding? Is it a good idea for us to use Twitter? I'd argue
>     > those are far worse things than Slack...
>     >
>     > Sorry, but your argument is overwrought and unnecessary. You don't have
>     > to join the Slack channel. And you certainly don't have to interrogate
>     > the organizers of the conference publicly because you've got a
>     > holier-than-thou attitude about which tools are best.
>     >
> 
>     Why this reaction? There are different reasons for taking govt
>     funding and using twitter, than using Slack.
> 
>     Government funding: hard to market "internet freedom" in current
>     economy, need to get shit done regardless, need to get paid.
> 
>     Twitter: reaches a wide range of people, good for publicily.
> 
>     What is Slack good for that IRC doesn't provide? Formatting and
>     smileys are more important than running your own infrastructure,
>     depending on 3rd parties that don't respect you, who don't release
>     their source code, and have a crappy history of protecting their
>     users' data?
> 
>     (I also support trying out things like Mattermost, if other people
>     want to play with that.)
> 
>     We make compromises working in this world whilst trying to achieve
>     our principles, but we must *never* forget the fact that these are
>     *compromises*. Don't let those things become a norm in your head.
> 
>     And this is not about having a "holier-than-thou attitude". Remember
>     that from the point of view of the rest of the world, the entire
>     "internet freedom" community has a "holier-than-thou attitude".
>     holger was in no way insulting or aggressive.
> 
>     X
> 
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