[Festival] IFF's now on Slack!

[Smari McCarthy]

I'm agreeing with Ximin and Holger. Slack is a closed-source, centralized
IRC replacement, and not even a particularly good one (sorry). We can talk
about US money and other stuff like that, and we should, but how about we
do it over a decentralized communications platform that isn't directly
anathema to a free an open Internet?

Rather than me continuing to rant about this, just take a moment to imagine
that did so, about software licences and stuff like that. :-)

E-mail is pretty good.

  - Smári

On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Ximin Luo <infinity0 at pwned.gg> wrote:

> On 27/10/15 11:36, Jillian York wrote:
> > On 10/27/15 11:27 AM, holger krekel wrote:
> >> Is it a good idea to tie the "internet freedom" community to Slack
> >> Technologies, a large for-profit highly venture-capital driven company
> >> in silicon valley?  And to help their marketing by advising people
> >> to shout "i want to be a slacker"?  Centralized easy-to-surveil
> >> communication systems are the problem, not the solution in my view.
>
> Thank you holger for making this point. I was going to myself but wondered
> if anyone gave a shit...
>
> > Is it a good idea for the "Internet freedom" community to take US
> > government funding? Is it a good idea for us to use Twitter? I'd argue
> > those are far worse things than Slack...
> >
> > Sorry, but your argument is overwrought and unnecessary. You don't have
> > to join the Slack channel. And you certainly don't have to interrogate
> > the organizers of the conference publicly because you've got a
> > holier-than-thou attitude about which tools are best.
> >
>
> Why this reaction? There are different reasons for taking govt funding and
> using twitter, than using Slack.
>
> Government funding: hard to market "internet freedom" in current economy,
> need to get shit done regardless, need to get paid.
>
> Twitter: reaches a wide range of people, good for publicily.
>
> What is Slack good for that IRC doesn't provide? Formatting and smileys
> are more important than running your own infrastructure, depending on 3rd
> parties that don't respect you, who don't release their source code, and
> have a crappy history of protecting their users' data?
>
> (I also support trying out things like Mattermost, if other people want to
> play with that.)
>
> We make compromises working in this world whilst trying to achieve our
> principles, but we must *never* forget the fact that these are
> *compromises*. Don't let those things become a norm in your head.
>
> And this is not about having a "holier-than-thou attitude". Remember that
> from the point of view of the rest of the world, the entire "internet
> freedom" community has a "holier-than-thou attitude". holger was in no way
> insulting or aggressive.
>
> X
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