[Bigbang-dev] "Analysing the IETF" meeting

[Corinne Cath]

Hi all,

Sorry to have missed the last call. Just wanted to echo Nick's enthusiasm
for the website and the findings you presented above.

I would love to see what this breakdown looks like when you add a gender
analysis to it, i.e. what do different interactions look like between new
and oldtimers when broken down across genders (i.e. do men respond more to
men etc.). Likewise, it would be interesting to see this analysis through
the lens of corporate affiliations or nationality.

I am fully aware of the various difficulties with capturing each of these
detailed (and sometimes highly personal and non-binary) markers of people's
identity but look forward to exploring the possibilities.

Kind regards,

-- 
Corinne Cath - Speth
Ph.D. Candidate, Oxford Internet Institute & Alan Turing Institute

Web: www.oii.ox.ac.uk/people/corinne-cath
Email: ccath at turing.ac.uk & corinnecath at gmail.com
Twitter: @C_CS


On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:38 PM Nick Doty <npdoty at ischool.berkeley.edu>
wrote:

> This is awesome; it's great to see the work in progress. And the project
> website looks attractive, and really does help me to understand your goals
> and current status.
>
> On this tenure question in particular, I explored that a bit in some
> notebooks in 2019ish, which actually included some very similar graphs
> (around KDE density in particular), that might be relevant to Prashant's
> work.
>
> https://github.com/npdoty/bigbang/blob/ietf-participation/ietf-participation/ietf_wgs_tenure.ipynb
> A lot of those were negative results (that date of first participation, or
> length of participation doesn't have much effect on how many messages sent,
> e.g.), though I think those are still useful. That the mailing lists aren't
> dominated by early-joined participants is a notable result (given some
> assumptions about "greybeards" and IETF), and it seemed of interest when we
> presented that in slides to the IETF hackathon a while back.
>
> I think the level of interaction is an interesting question to explore as
> well. I think Seb looked at some similar points in scipy communities --
> about whether getting a reply from a certain kind of participant affected
> whether a participant stuck around. And we definitely heard some questions
> like that from IETF leadership, about what signals would indicate that an
> IETF participant would continue. Maybe Seb or Niels had done some early
> analysis about sending lots of messages being a predictor for being a
> long-term participant, though that's also perhaps not very surprising.
> (Seb, Niels, or other bigbang folks, can you correct me or point to that
> investigation somewhere?)
>
> Looking forward to talking more tomorrow and to seeing more interesting
> research results!
> Nick
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 3:10 PM Stephen McQuistin <
> Stephen.McQuistin at glasgow.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> Hi Nick,
>>
>> We recently published a blog post outlining some initial work we’ve done
>> looking at IETF participant engagement:
>>
>>
>> https://sodestream.github.io/impact-of-early-engagement-on-longevity-of-ietf-participation.html
>>
>> This website also gives some more details about the project.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>> On 24 Mar 2021, at 22:18, Nick Doty <npdoty at ischool.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Stephen or others,
>>
>> Is it possible to get more info/status on the sodestream/Streamlining
>> Social Decision Making for Improved Internet Standards project?
>>
>> I was following this during the grant application process, but over the
>> past year I've lost track and may have missed some meetings (I think the
>> pandemic has thrown a lot of things off course that were proceeding in
>> early spring 2020) and I don't know who is working on what or where. (All
>> the URLs on the grant application page point to domains (*.rcuk.ac.uk)
>> that no longer exist.) Happy to chat more in the group call, but if there's
>> anything we can read in the meantime, that'd be great.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nick
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 1:30 PM Stephen McQuistin <
>> Stephen.McQuistin at glasgow.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> From discussions that took place at IETF 110 (during the hackathon,
>>> Sebastian's
>>> hrpc presentation, and following Nick's plenary plots), it's clear that
>>> there is
>>> growing interest in analysing how people participate in the IETF, and the
>>> related impacts on the effectiveness of the organisation.
>>>
>>> Given that multiple people and groups (i.e., the BigBang team, the
>>> sodestream
>>> project [1], and others) are working within this area, I thought that it
>>> would
>>> be useful to have a meeting to discuss our various research objectives,
>>> with a
>>> view towards identifying potential collaborations.
>>>
>>> I've created a Doodle poll:
>>>
>>>     https://doodle.com/poll/i725xdu75ps92453
>>>
>>> I've tried to make the times and dates as friendly as possible across
>>> different
>>> timezones, but let me know if these options don't suit.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Stephen
>>>
>>> [1]: https://gow.epsrc.ukri.org/NGBOViewGrant.aspx?GrantRef=EP/S033564/1
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-- 
Corinne Cath - Speth
Ph.D. Candidate, Oxford Internet Institute & Alan Turing Institute

Web: www.oii.ox.ac.uk/people/corinne-cath
Email: ccath at turing.ac.uk & corinnecath at gmail.com
Twitter: @C_CS
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