<div dir="ltr">I started lurking on this list over a decade ago. Probably heard about it when I first went to DEF CON around 2013. Back then I was a journalist who accidentally inherited sysadmin roles for a large newsroom and was simultaneously spooked by all the surveillance concerns brought to light by Ed Snowden. Over the years most of the list's messages skip my inbox, but occasionally I search for some random term and find helpful info in these threads.<div><br></div><div>These days I work at Starling Lab, which was cofounded by Stanford and USC to explore questions about data integrity and trust in digital records. Think: How do we know a photo is "real"? Or that evidence posted on social media won't disappear? We do really neat applied projects in journalism, law (war crimes accountability), and historical archiving. I also volunteer as press rights chair for the Los Angeles Press Club. It may surprise people to hear that many of the nation's worst press rights abuses are here in California, so it's never a dull moment. All of these interests hit on issues about the public's right to know as well as the public's rights to privacy.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Adam</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 10:31 PM Kate Krauss <<a href="mailto:katiephr@gmail.com">katiephr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Looks like there's an RFP for deliberative technologies:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">From Michelle Lee (Protocol Labs):</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(15,20,25);font-family:TwitterChirp,-apple-system,"system-ui","Segoe UI",Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:15px;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.03)">Hey govtech peeps — check out this Metagov RFP for Interoperable Deliberative Tools. $250,000 in grants for 2 phases."</span><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(15,20,25);font-family:TwitterChirp,-apple-system,"system-ui","Segoe UI",Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:15px;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.03)"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(15,20,25);font-family:TwitterChirp,-apple-system,"system-ui","Segoe UI",Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:15px;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.03)">"</span><span style="background-color:transparent;color:rgb(67,67,67);font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Note that the receiving entity must be a legal entity, citizen, or permanent resident in a country that is not subject to US sanctions."</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(15,20,25);font-family:TwitterChirp,-apple-system,"system-ui","Segoe UI",Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:15px;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.03)"><a href="http://goog_1664406429" target="_blank"><br></a></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G-2OVyJIvVTcQLPCg_mA3UzohSGZUm9dHPyWKwK4LlA/edit#heading=h.6s0hwgezolbm" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G-2OVyJIvVTcQLPCg_mA3UzohSGZUm9dHPyWKwK4LlA/edit#heading=h.6s0hwgezolbm</a><span style="color:rgb(15,20,25);font-family:TwitterChirp,-apple-system,"system-ui","Segoe UI",Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:15px;background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0.03)"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">-Kate</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 3:00 PM Lorelei Kelly <<a href="mailto:loreleikelly@gmail.com" target="_blank">loreleikelly@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>deliberative technology could take many different forms <a href="http://pol.is" target="_blank">pol.is</a> remesh, Zoom, Cortico Fora...online Town Hall Models, Citizen Assemblies, mini publics... <br></div><div>what's interesting to me is how the Right to petition function of Congress (First Amendment duty) was basically offshored in the 1940s to the Executive Branch, thereby depriving Congress of its internal barometer of the American people-- it gave the President power at the expense of the legislature, and allowed the public grievance processing space to languish or be privatized (Facebook). Now much access is purchased via lobbying...and advocacy... the rest of us are left to vote occasionally or protest or spiral into frustration and even apathy (very dangerous)... Grievance processing on top of an advertising platform is one of the major drivers of dysfunction IMHO. And that's not even mentioning the Putin ad buys. It has been a disaster for democracy, but specifically for institutions like Congress whose communications standards were literally stuck in the Pony Express until 2020. Here's <a href="https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/3985778-to-protect-democracy-from-machines-congress-must-modernize-our-constitutional-right-to-petition/" target="_blank">an article that explains </a>this big picture framing. <br></div><div><br></div><div>We have to actually change alot of laborious and byzantine rules, even laws to allow Congress to function in the modern world. It has many pockets of Civil War era technology like an 1860s document format. Fixing this is an institutional long game--the Right Wing has been much more successful at eliminating public infrastructure and then occupying/capturing it, selling it off to friends and cronies or corporations (or flooding the zone with shit aka Bannon's plan) The Left, as far as I can tell has no competitive institutional plan. Centrists tend to not be supported by outside or adjacent orgs. </div><div><br></div><div>our dysfunction re: tech and institutions is partly because the first generation of technologies on social media fit into campaigning needs, not governing, which requires slow moving, slow thinking and deliberation. Its one reason why governing looks like campaigning now. The whole incentive system is streamlined for it. Citizens United in 2010 allowed unlimited dark money into the blood stream of democracy. We have to change this incentive. Americans need to fall in love with their governing institutions again. They are so beleaguered and brittle. And this needs to be paid for by taxpayer dollars,facilitated by philanthropy, not privatized. Democracy is not a pro bono project or a side gig that you think about while building a Mars rocket-- Scorn for institutions is one of the reasons I left Silicon Valley (where I was born!) and have never looked back. <br></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 1:10 PM Kate Krauss <<a href="mailto:katiephr@gmail.com" target="_blank">katiephr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">This is so interesting. Thanks for sharing your fascinating insights into the dynamics right now in US Congress. I can't believe we've found an optimist! :)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">What sorts of things are you working on in this regard: "how to integrate new forms of deliberative technology into the workflow of members so there is a flow of authentic, productive, constituent driven feedback." What sorts of deliberative technology? </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">In modernizing, what kinds of unmodern things go wrong, and what direction are you going in fixing them? Also very interested to hear about AI and LLMs in the House (seems like a Saturday Night Live skit, but also, the future!). </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Thanks again,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">-Kate</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 12:33 PM Lorelei Kelly <<a href="mailto:loreleikelly@gmail.com" target="_blank">loreleikelly@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>hi, thanks for the note. <br></div><div>I'm glad to see this list momentum effort! We need it! <br></div><div>I lead the modernizing Congress portfolio at Georgetown and I'm still working adjacent to the US Congress with the members and committees who are behind this effort-- The House has passed 202 reform and modernization recommendations. It is truly an unprecedented and historic push forward. I'm now helping implement the more difficult ones that include a social cohesion aspect. (i.e. how to we integrate new forms of deliberative technology into the workflow of members so there is a flow of authentic, productive, constituent driven feedback) Also we have gotten ahead of the curve on AI and LLMs in the House at least. I'm proud of this old institution, even though its looking like a three ring circus in the news. I think the Mike Johnson success on Ukraine funding is a very interesting turning point for looking at democracy as transcendent critical infrastructure (backed up by pandemic measures to go remote and then J6 reactions to look at the information systems on Capitol Hill as national security priorities) We have begun to marginalize deviant behavior through the process and this is a good, emergent, systems way to make sense of it. <br></div><div>Very interesting time for all of this. <br></div><div>LK<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 12:19 PM Kate Krauss <<a href="mailto:katiephr@gmail.com" target="_blank">katiephr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small">Hi!</div><div style="font-size:small"><br>We didn't move the list, or change its name (Liberation Tech) but we did supply a link which works (after fixing a technical glitch) that you can share with new people who might want to join. </div><div style="font-size:small"><br></div><div style="font-size:small">Cheers,</div><div style="font-size:small"><br>Kate</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 22, 2024 at 12:12 PM Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <<a href="mailto:gmkarl@gmail.com" target="_blank">gmkarl@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> > Hi, I’m confused, what about the list this email was sent to (<a href="mailto:lt@lists.liberationtech.org" target="_blank">lt@lists.liberationtech.org</a>) ?<br>
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> > What does the “subscribe” link in this email have to do with that list?<br>
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> > Is it a different list? The same list? Is <a href="mailto:lt@lists.liberationtech.org" target="_blank">lt@lists.liberationtech.org</a> still alive or being moved?<br>
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> > Very confused,<br>
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> I'd like to relate that some communities have been both disrupted and<br>
> defended by influences skilled in social manipulation, and that one<br>
> attribute of that is changing the environment.<br>
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> Changing an environment can help change, whether overt or covert, be<br>
> adopted more readily. It can separate both from harm and fear as well<br>
> as familiarity and community.<br>
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> It's pleasant that changing the list name could help people feel safer<br>
> from any trauma associated with the old list, and help anything<br>
> targeting the old list have a little trouble finding the new people.<br>
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> I hope that everybody who was affiliated with the old list succeeds in<br>
> finding the new one, but I know there will be people who don't.<br>
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> Some communities often have to move in order to survive well. This<br>
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> Crazy Karl (I think I have OSDD from technologically-facilitated abuse!)<br>
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Apologies, I did not realize it was the _same_ list the subscribe link<br>
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