<div dir="auto">An extra big yes to 2) interoperability <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Saw this requested time and again when working with farmers and those trying to give them access to new social media meant to build bioregional markets.<br><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Share buttons change lives and project horizons. Bridges not walls. Mental and systemic architecture that allows for proper expectations for various circumstances that exist and arise -- well explained for the high functioning lay person so people do not expect a single platform to suffice for their liberation. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Make the learning/adaptation fun. Diaspora was minimal to a fault. All well intentioned projects die at the dry plateau of documentation and onboarding. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As for the advert model (which is onerous) -- which other/s to propose? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Free labor or the non profit model? Unnatural. Unattractive in the current state of the world. Bridge that too.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Profit to non profit symbiosis? </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Some other collaborative mechanism that actually functions in the incentive driven world? Suggested micro payments/contributions for intense usage? Thinking mycelia where micro exchange is the juice and when you look at the exchanges under a camera you notice there is color and vibrance.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Elegant is not stark. Interface design matters.</div><div dir="auto">Invitations to liberation fail if they only address the logical reason to use A not B.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 28, 2022, 09:52 Chris Riley <<a href="mailto:mchris@gmail.com">mchris@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Network effects are beyond hard to replicate, I'd call them impossible, FWIW. While I've also revived my dormant Mastodon account and echo those calling for it to be the hub around which we all rally - which means not adopting private alternatives, no matter how well-intentioned - to me success at building a better future here means 1) putting resources into Mastodon code and infrastructure, including making it even easier for non technical people to identify a server that aligns with their values and make an account, and 2) interoperability, interoperability, interoperability. We've been making a fair bit of progress (we being the community pushing for this in various ways); it takes on a number of forms and flavors depending on the advocate, but ultimately the bridge to a better internet means staying in touch with your Twitter et al networks from an independent home base (software/server stack).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Just my $0.02...</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">C<br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 28, 2022, 6:40 AM Yosem Companys <<a href="mailto:ycompanys@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ycompanys@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>I helped develop Diaspora, the once exciting FLOSS alternative to Facebook. It seems in 2010 Diaspora was to Facebook what today Mastodon is to Twitter. </div><div><br></div><div>But, what good is a "good" Twitter, if no one uses it?</div><div><br></div><div>As a Wired article notes about Mastodon, "Mastodon has never grown quite as big as social networks like Twitter or Reddit. Rochko says that’s because network effects are hard to replicate. People go where their friends are, and most people’s friends are still on Facebook and Twitter." </div><div><br></div><div>Diaspora was private, secure, and distributed, which the Liberationtech community loved. But, most Diaspora users simply asked, "Why are our friends not here?" Others asked, "What is your killer app?" </div><div><br></div><div>UX research at Diaspora revealed that users were just as or more motivated to meet new and interesting people as they were in connecting with people they knew. Meanwhile, Twitter's history shows it gained critical mass when it entered the news/journalism space.</div><div><br></div><div>So, I ask: What must Mastodon do to overcome Twitter's network effect? What would make it go mainstream? Ideas?</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you,</div><div>Yosem</div><div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 6:12 AM Yosem Companys <<a href="mailto:ycompanys@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ycompanys@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>One thing I will note because it has come up a few times in the discussion already is the following: The founders of the Twitter clone in question did NOT build it for commercial gain. In fact, they are specifically offering to provide it as private, secure, and decentralized FLOSS software run by a nonprofit foundation, if that's what people want.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 2:43 AM Petter Ericson <<a href="mailto:pettter@acc.umu.se" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">pettter@acc.umu.se</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I would agree insofar as to say that any particular social media _platform_ is<br>
unlikely to be "liberation" technology, but federated _protocols_ as well as<br>
specific online/digital places to be and ways to organise can be (and are,<br>
sometimes) liberatory. <br>
<br>
In particular, if it's hard to monetize, it's more likely to be liberatory.<br>
<br>
And if it is built by "wealthy serial entrepreneurs" it is decidedly less likely to be.<br>
<br>
Best<br>
<br>
/P<br>
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On 28 april, 2022 - Jillian C. York wrote:<br>
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> While I would certainly welcome a Twitter clone, I'd be really hesitant<br>
> about calling any social media platform "liberation" technology at this<br>
> point. I think we've all witnessed that this tech is/can be/will be<br>
> utilized just as much by malicious actors as by liberatory ones, regardless<br>
> of the policies implemented or content moderation strategies employed.<br>
> <br>
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 12:35 AM Yosem Companys <<a href="mailto:ycompanys@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">ycompanys@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > Dear Liberation Technology community,<br>
> ><br>
> > A group of wealthy serial entrepreneurs who built a Twitter clone to<br>
> > foster civic democracy in the 2020 elections just reached out to me to ask<br>
> > whether you would be interested in using a Liberationtech-friendly Twitter<br>
> > clone now that Elon Musk has bought Twitter. They want to know the<br>
> > following:<br>
> ><br>
> > - Would you use a Liberationtech-friendly Twitter clone?<br>
> > - What would make you want to use it? Conversely, what would make you<br>
> > NOT want to use it?<br>
> > - What would you name it? They said they might even be open to calling<br>
> > it Liberationtech, if there were enough interest.<br>
> ><br>
> > Thank you,<br>
> > Yosem<br>
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