<div dir="ltr">That wikipedia "definition" is really funky — and idiosyncratic to whomever dreamt it up.<div><br></div><div>"processes that would otherwise be natural" -----   Huh?!?!?     Like oppression? Neoliberalism? </div><div><br></div><div>Just use the definition I suggested and we'll be fine! :-)</div><div><br></div><div>And agreed that critiques without proposals are incomplete. </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 9:38 AM Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes <<a href="mailto:alps6085@gmail.com">alps6085@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Hey don’t screw it at the last mile!🤠<div><br></div><div>Apparently “Meliorism” is about NATURAL processes whereas ALL SOCIAL PROCESSES ARE “UNNATURAL!😈”<div><br></div><div>“<span style="font-size:16px;color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:-apple-system,BlinkMacSystemFont,"Segoe UI",Roboto,Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> It holds that humans can, through their interference with processes that would otherwise be natural, produce an outcome which is an improvement over the aforementioned natural one.” (Wikipedia)</span></div><div><font color="#202122" face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto, Lato, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="3"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#202122" face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto, Lato, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="3"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">And as to the critiques with no alternatives well let them PROPOSE SOMETHING abd not just discount critical and constructive work from peers <br></span></font><div><br><div dir="ltr">Regards / Saludos / Grato<div><br></div><div>Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes</div><div>Pronouns: He/Him/They/Them (equal preference)</div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Feb 8, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Doug Schuler <<a href="mailto:douglas@publicsphereproject.org" target="_blank">douglas@publicsphereproject.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">meliorist</div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);border-collapse:separate"><span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div><div style="font-size:12px">Douglas Schuler</div><div style="font-size:12px"><a href="mailto:douglas@publicsphereproject.org" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">douglas@publicsphereproject.org</a></div><div style="font-size:12px">Twitter: @doug_schuler</div><div style="font-size:12px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12px">------------------------------------------------------------------------------</div></div></span>Public Sphere Project<span style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div><div style="font-size:12px">     <a href="http://www.publicsphereproject.org/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">http://www.publicsphereproject.org/</a></div></div></span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-size:12px"><br></span><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">Mailing list ~ Collective Intelligence for the Common Good</div><div>     <font color="#4787ff"><u><span> <a href="http://lists.scn.org/mailman/listinfo/ci" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">http://lists.scn.org/mailman/listinfo/ci</a></span><span>4cg-announce</span></u></font></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-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