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<div dir="auto">1. Wevoyce doesn't return any hits on Google Play. Is the app only available from your site, at this time?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">The app is approved for the Apple and Android stores, but we have yet to open for downloads. The only way to download the app at this time is via special link. I will send you one separately.</span><br></div><div><br></div>
2. When it talks about propositions (I think that was the word) does
this mean only actual laws, ballot proposals, etc, or does it mean just
something that someone advocates and is looking for support for?</div><div><br></div><div><font color="#0000ff">Think of a prop as a 435-character petition labeled by a hashtag. There are two types:</font></div><div><ul><li><font color="#0000ff">?VoteFor props that are automatically tied to candidates (e.g., ?VoteForBiden or ?VoteForTrump).</font></li><li><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">Props focused on causes
(e.g., ?SupportProChoice or ?SupportProLife).</span></li></ul></div><div><font color="#0000ff">Users can interact with props as they would on social media:</font></div><div><ul><li><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">Follow props.</span></li><li><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">Reply to props.</span></li><li><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">Like props.</span></li><li><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">Etc.<br></span></li></ul></div><div>2. Do you have to put in $5 in order to use the app, or just if you want to contribute?</div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">No, just if you want to contribute.</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">Participation is tiered based on real-world validation:</span></div><ul><li><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">
Using the app is free (i.e., there is no financial cost to using the app).
Anyone may download the app, set up an account, and do the following: (1) read propositions, (2) read what people post, and (3) vote on props and what people say.</span></li><li><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">Anyone who registers to vote (and thus verifies they are a real person) may post. <br></span></li><li><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">Anyone who fills out the FEC form may donate. To ensure real people have a real impact, donating occurs via liking, as little as a penny. We call it, "Put your $ where your <3 is." Anytime you like something, you are donating to it, so you need to put at least $5 in your account to like things.</span></li></ul><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">One thing to note is that all the donations end up going to political candidates in at least three ways (and this is how we are campaign finance reform in an app):</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)"><br></span></div><div><ul><li><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">You may donate to candidates directly via their VoteFor prop.</span></li><li>
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">You may advocate candidates. If anyone likes you, any likes (i.e., real money) you receive go to the candidate(s) you advocate. <br></span></li><li><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">You may donate to a cause prop, and politicians who publicly commit to support these causes get a share of the donations. (You are told in advance who will get your donations.)<br></span></li></ul></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">Reading, voting, and donating can be private. Posting is always public.</span><br></div>
</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 12:55 PM Paul <<a href="mailto:tallpaul@gmail.com">tallpaul@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Hi Yosem,<div dir="auto"> I just started the signup process and I have three questions:</div><div dir="auto"> 1) do you have to put in $5 in order to use the app, or just if you want to contribute?</div><div dir="auto"> 2) Wevoyce doesn't return any hits on Google Play. Is the app only available from your site, at this time?</div><div dir="auto"> 3) when it talks about propositions (I think that was the word) does this mean only actual laws, ballot proposals, etc, or does it mean just something that someone advocates and is looking for support for?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks</div><div dir="auto"> Paul</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 12:18 PM Paul <<a href="mailto:tallpaul@gmail.com" target="_blank">tallpaul@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div style="font-family:sans-serif" dir="auto">Hi Yosem,</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"> Thanks for letting us know about Wevoyce. I just skimmed it but the bits about "real people*," upvoting and, especially, micro donations, sound very interesting.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"> Since my career has been in software testing, I will at least try it and let you know about anything I see.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"> Paul Czyzewski</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:sans-serif">* As long as you don't get swamped by real people who are, for example, Proud Boys or NRA members</div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, 12:04 PM Yosem Companys <<a href="mailto:ycompanys@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ycompanys@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Excellent point, Nathaniel. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Some of us at Liberationtech have gotten together to try to fix political discourse on social media and campaign finance by developing a new mobile-based solution called Wevoyce. If you and others on the list would like to check it out and give us feedback, please let me know. We would really appreciate it.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Yosem<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 11:42 AM Nathaniel Borenstein via cpsr-activists list <<a href="mailto:cpsr-activists@lists.cpsr.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">cpsr-activists@lists.cpsr.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>This may sound naive, but here goes…<div><br></div><div>Social media are just the latest way for people to communicate. All the other ways we have found to communicate have allowed us to express both the best and the worst of ourselves. It’s often easier to figure out how to express the worst, but that doesn’t mean we can’t focus on the best.</div><div><br></div><div>To my mind the right question is this: how can we use social media to create countervailing trends to the ones we have spent so much time bemoaning? </div><div><br></div><div>Unfortunately it is possible that the best answers to this question will require wrenching control of the social media landscape from big companies, but I suspect there is a fair amount we can do short of that. — Nathaniel<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Oct 1, 2020, at 12:33 PM, Doug Schuler via cpsr-activists list <<a href="mailto:cpsr-activists@lists.cpsr.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">cpsr-activists@lists.cpsr.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div>One question is certainly why would one person use social media. The "CPSR" angle on it in my opinion would be something like this: Given the immense damage that social media as it's currently deployed and used wreaks on society, the public sphere, democracy, mental health, whatever you want to call it, what ought computer professionals do about it?</div><div><br></div><div>It seems like other hams that are perpetrated in that it affects different people unequally.</div><div><br></div><div>But I would also argue that, as with TV, individuals can "turn it off" but they can't turn off social media culture...</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 8:28 PM Paul via cpsr-activists list <<a href="mailto:cpsr-activists@lists.cpsr.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">cpsr-activists@lists.cpsr.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">rant<div> I think that the crucial issue with facebook, twitter, etc is not just how manipulative they are, or are not. It's how Jeff long ago answered TV. I.E., don't use it at all.</div><div><br></div><div> Of course I realize that this side-steps the issue for the hundreds of millions of people who *do* use them. But, news aside, they are too much of a time sink and, IMO, the signal to noise ratio is unbelievably low.* Since I'm ranting, I'll throw in my Twitter analogy; it's like opening and reading two hundred fortune cookies because <i>one</i> of them may include something that you're glad you've read.** I'm not a very productive person, and I'm in no critical function (well, for a few more weeks, I will help some US Census enumerators who are having payroll issues) but, even when I'm unemployed, my time is *far* too valuable to spend on social media.<div> One more opinion before I step off my high-horse. Getting news from Facebook or other social media is totally a losing proposition. Advising people on how to fix it, or how to confirm what they read, is a waste of time. The crucial part of getting news is to somehow find some trustworthy sources, and start from there. I don't agree with the spin on everything in the NY Times but I fully believe that, for reasons of the personal integrity of the journalists and also to protect their bottom line, they are never going to invent things that they print.</div></div><div>/rant off</div><div><br></div><div>paul czyzewski</div><div><br></div><div>* if there was a way for me to just see my friends' family photos on facebook; ie, no news, and also no "vital" links passed on my well-meaning friends, I'd probably start looking at it again. But I think that there is (deliberately) no way to filter it that way. </div><div><br></div><div>** I once gave twitter what I thought was a fair test. There were tsunami warnings in Hawaii so I used some filter -- I don't know if it's still exists or not -- to watch a stream of tweets about that, real-time. Instead of the hoped-for "I see the wave entering the harbor; small boats are being overturned," I saw tweets on the order of "The news reported that, 30 minutes ago, the waves were twenty miles away."</div><div> </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 7:46 PM Jeff Johnson via cpsr-activists list <<a href="mailto:cpsr-activists@lists.cpsr.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">cpsr-activists@lists.cpsr.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>This article argues that “The Social Dilemma” movie is overblown:<div><a href="https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200928/11452045401/social-dilemma-manipulates-you-with-misinformation-as-it-tries-to-warn-you-manipulation-misinformation.shtml" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200928/11452045401/social-dilemma-manipulates-you-with-misinformation-as-it-tries-to-warn-you-manipulation-misinformation.shtml</a></div><div><br></div><div>Jeff</div></div><div style="background:transparent none repeat scroll 0% 0%;border:medium none;clear:both;display:block;float:none">____________________________________________________________<br>
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