<div dir="ltr"><div>Excellent point, Nathaniel. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Some of us at Liberationtech have gotten together to try to fix political discourse on social media and campaign finance by developing a new mobile-based solution called Wevoyce. If you and others on the list would like to check it out and give us feedback, please let me know. We would really appreciate it.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Yosem<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 11:42 AM Nathaniel Borenstein via cpsr-activists list <<a href="mailto:cpsr-activists@lists.cpsr.org">cpsr-activists@lists.cpsr.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">This may sound naive, but here goes…<div><br></div><div>Social media are just the latest way for people to communicate. All the other ways we have found to communicate have allowed us to express both the best and the worst of ourselves. It’s often easier to figure out how to express the worst, but that doesn’t mean we can’t focus on the best.</div><div><br></div><div>To my mind the right question is this: how can we use social media to create countervailing trends to the ones we have spent so much time bemoaning? </div><div><br></div><div>Unfortunately it is possible that the best answers to this question will require wrenching control of the social media landscape from big companies, but I suspect there is a fair amount we can do short of that. — Nathaniel<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Oct 1, 2020, at 12:33 PM, Doug Schuler via cpsr-activists list <<a href="mailto:cpsr-activists@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">cpsr-activists@lists.cpsr.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div>One question is certainly why would one person use social media. The "CPSR" angle on it in my opinion would be something like this: Given the immense damage that social media as it's currently deployed and used wreaks on society, the public sphere, democracy, mental health, whatever you want to call it, what ought computer professionals do about it?</div><div><br></div><div>It seems like other hams that are perpetrated in that it affects different people unequally.</div><div><br></div><div>But I would also argue that, as with TV, individuals can "turn it off" but they can't turn off social media culture...</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 8:28 PM Paul via cpsr-activists list <<a href="mailto:cpsr-activists@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">cpsr-activists@lists.cpsr.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">rant<div> I think that the crucial issue with facebook, twitter, etc is not just how manipulative they are, or are not. It's how Jeff long ago answered TV. I.E., don't use it at all.</div><div><br></div><div> Of course I realize that this side-steps the issue for the hundreds of millions of people who *do* use them. But, news aside, they are too much of a time sink and, IMO, the signal to noise ratio is unbelievably low.* Since I'm ranting, I'll throw in my Twitter analogy; it's like opening and reading two hundred fortune cookies because <i>one</i> of them may include something that you're glad you've read.** I'm not a very productive person, and I'm in no critical function (well, for a few more weeks, I will help some US Census enumerators who are having payroll issues) but, even when I'm unemployed, my time is *far* too valuable to spend on social media.<div> One more opinion before I step off my high-horse. Getting news from Facebook or other social media is totally a losing proposition. Advising people on how to fix it, or how to confirm what they read, is a waste of time. The crucial part of getting news is to somehow find some trustworthy sources, and start from there. I don't agree with the spin on everything in the NY Times but I fully believe that, for reasons of the personal integrity of the journalists and also to protect their bottom line, they are never going to invent things that they print.</div></div><div>/rant off</div><div><br></div><div>paul czyzewski</div><div><br></div><div>* if there was a way for me to just see my friends' family photos on facebook; ie, no news, and also no "vital" links passed on my well-meaning friends, I'd probably start looking at it again. But I think that there is (deliberately) no way to filter it that way. </div><div><br></div><div>** I once gave twitter what I thought was a fair test. There were tsunami warnings in Hawaii so I used some filter -- I don't know if it's still exists or not -- to watch a stream of tweets about that, real-time. Instead of the hoped-for "I see the wave entering the harbor; small boats are being overturned," I saw tweets on the order of "The news reported that, 30 minutes ago, the waves were twenty miles away."</div><div> </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 7:46 PM Jeff Johnson via cpsr-activists list <<a href="mailto:cpsr-activists@lists.cpsr.org" target="_blank">cpsr-activists@lists.cpsr.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>This article argues that “The Social Dilemma” movie is overblown:<div><a href="https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200928/11452045401/social-dilemma-manipulates-you-with-misinformation-as-it-tries-to-warn-you-manipulation-misinformation.shtml" target="_blank">https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200928/11452045401/social-dilemma-manipulates-you-with-misinformation-as-it-tries-to-warn-you-manipulation-misinformation.shtml</a></div><div><br></div><div>Jeff</div></div><div style="background:transparent none repeat scroll 0% 0%;border:medium none;clear:both;display:block;float:none">____________________________________________________________<br>
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