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<p>I'd be interested in learning more about that setup.</p>
<p>Something else you could do is to encrypt your files before
syncing them with your cloud of choice. But then we're also
complicating the situation beyond what an average person would be
able to handle.</p>
<p><i>> The crux of it is a lot of systems, like nest cameras,
sacrifice security for simplicity for end users by sticking
cloud in the middle to avoid dealing with VPNs or port
forwarding, etc.</i></p>
<p>That's a nice way of putting it :) Those guys have in the past
shipped cameras with default passwords, for example, which is
sacrificing security for simplicity well beyond what is required.
You could, for example, have the user go through a one-time setup
that creates a random key with which the video is encrypted. Of
course, that would mean the company would no longer have access to
the video streams anymore and put and end to their surveillance
economy, which is probably what they were after to begin with (I
can imagine these companies harvesting hours and hours of video to
train face recognition software and engage in other such very
ethical endeavors.)<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">In my opinion,
there is no such thing as a secure cloud. This is
because whatever is on the other end of the connection
as well as what might lie in between is unknown. </blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">In a best case
scenario where you have an encrypted, secure
connection to a cloud system, it is unknown how many
people have access to that system, whether or not it
has been breached, etc. </blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Additionally, since
it is a shared system with thousands or even millions
of other users, each of those users is a potential
vector for breach or other data loss/access. </blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">As such, we
engineer all our systems to be on networks w control
and access them by vpn from offsite. This ranges from
such simple things as surveillance video or access
control systems to storage and other systems. </blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Depending on the
type of system, they are either at a client's site and
accessed by the client from external places by direct
or VPN access. (systems w build for clients) </blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Or with our own
systems they are on our sites and accessed either
directly or via VPN. </blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">If you were setting
up something for shared file access, I would put it on
a server you own at a site whose network you control
and then make it accessible to user by putting it in
either of the following places:</blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">1) A DMZ with port
forwarded access (good for things like web developers,
etc); or, </blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">2) The main LAN or
a sub-LAN and accessible by VPN from outside. </blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The crux of it is a
lot of systems, like nest cameras, sacrifice security
for simplicity for end users by sticking cloud in the
middle to avoid dealing with VPNs or port forwarding,
etc. </blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">That ease of
initial setup compromises the level of security long
term, so we never do it. </blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Is it a bit more
hassle? yes. However, we've never had a breach in 3
decades.</blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">If anyone on the
list needs help setting up something like this I can
help. It's really easy once you know how.</blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I've actually been
thinking about developing a "ZeroCloud" certification
and offering it to products with no middle component
as such - a simmering idea at present. </blockquote>
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<div class="gmail_quote"> On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 6:24 PM,
fuzzyTew <span dir="ltr"> <a
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moz-do-not-send="true">fuzzytew@gmail.com</a></span>
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<div dir="auto">git-annex assistant is a gui for
git-annex which automates file syncing using a git
repository to store hashes and locations and history
of those things changing. <a
href="https://git-annex.branchable.com/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://git-annex.branchable.com/</a>
. It's written in Haskell. I use it manually on the
command line which works well enough; I don't use the
daemon or gui but they exist.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 1:34 PM Yosem
Companys <<a
href="mailto:ycompanys@alumni.stanford.edu"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ycompanys@alumni.stanford.edu</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">That is the rub, isn't it?
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<div>Thanks for the links, Marc!<br>
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<div> On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 5:11 PM, Marc
Sunet <span dir="ltr"> <a
rel="noreferrer"
href="mailto:msunet@shellblade.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">msunet@shellblade.net</a></span>
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<p>I do not have experience with this,
but my go-to for these kinds of
questions is often <a
rel="noreferrer"
href="http://privacytools.io"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">privacytools.io</a>:</p>
<p><a rel="noreferrer"
href="https://www.privacytools.io/providers/cloud-storage/"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.privacytools.io/providers/cloud-storage/</a></p>
<p>Currently the only one listed there
is Nextcloud (ignore Keybase, sold to
Zoom):</p>
<p><a rel="noreferrer"
href="https://nextcloud.com/providers/"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://nextcloud.com/providers/</a></p>
<p>You can self-host or rent storage.
Based in Germany, GDPR-compliant and
all. At the end of the day you're
putting your files in someone else's
servers though.</p>
<p>Marc<br>
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<div>On 6/20/20 10:00 AM, Yosem Companys
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<div>I am especially
interested in secure
alternatives to Google
Drive that are both secure
and convenient and in your
experience with these
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